That's what Hahn is doing. Sale and Quintana are 28. They would be 30 by the time the Sox would be a legitimate World Series contender if the rebuild went perfectly without trading them and by then they wouldn't be controlled for long.

What you are describing is not a strategic rebuild. It would have very little to no chance to work.

But, get back to the major point, which is that you are claiming that Theo wanted to win those 3 years. He was pretty bad at winning.

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Oh, ok. So its a good thing when Theo did this at the expense of the Major League roster, but its bad when Rick Hahn does the exact same fucking thing.

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In 2015, Theo signed a 30 year old Jon Lester, and subsequently won the World Series with him the following year. I find it hard to believe that in 2013, Theo would see a 28 year old Chris Sale in his control and throw in the white flag on ever winning a WS with him.

After trading away Jeff S. and not signing him to a long term deal.

We'll never know how Theo would have built up the White Sox. That doesn't change the fact that he didn't try and win for 3 years, or was really, really bad at winning.

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He traded Shark away with only 1.5 years control...after many, many, many attempts to secure an extension. Little different than jettisoning a guy with 3 more full seasons of control, entering his prime.

Chris Sale was not "jettisoned." Miguel Montero was Jettisoned. Eaton, Sale, Quintana, Melky...ALL of those guys have been used to acquire young and controlable assets. Which you praised Theo for doing.

You have changed your argument into Theo acquired assets and signed free ajents, and now have simply made something up.

You lost this one. A long time ago. Best to just move along now.

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It's the equivalent of 2.5 though as Shark was a midseason trade.

That's not a huge difference.

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Caller Bob has been embarrassed in MANY threads but this might be his worst one yet.

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I've got Frank back... engaged talking about the White Sox(not the Cubs) and this is the support I get? For returning your prodigal son home? #Sad

You mention the Sox and Sox fans more often than Frank mentions the Cubs.

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(Un)Fortunately he won't.

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I've run the numbers and it isn't true
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And I've which you would show appreciation for helping out a fellow subdivision member. No respect.

Sucks when a guy wont give up a losing argument right?

You don't want me to run the numbers comparing you and Frank. Trust me.

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The White Sox are now at the point (assuming some minor deals today for some of their remaining veteran starters who don't matter for the future and won't get anything in return) where some of these young players can begin to work their way to the majors.

Between the remainder of this year, and next season, we'll begin to see many of these highly touted prospects in the majors, and more will probably be here by 2019. If 4 or 5 of these young players reach the majors next season, followed by another 2-3 in 2019, they could be on a path to playoff contention by 2020, and possibly 2019 if the development of these players continue.

Trades and free agency will also play into this equation. In either 2019 or 2020, the White Sox will probably dip back into free agency to complement the roster and/or fill holes.

There is no guarantee that any of this will work, and this could result in another rebuild in 2020 if things don't, but they are actually on a pretty fast path (roughly 3 seasons) to having a team of highly ranked minor league talent (both pitching and hitting) mixed with free agency.

Ain't that the truth.

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The Cubs let Chris Volstad pitch major league innings. Even Rick Hahn isn't desperate enough to lose so much to do that, and Volstad has been at Charlotte this year.

I thought it was amusing when some Sox fans were worried that the "rebuild" was just code for "trading the assholes." Major credit to Rick Hahn for playing this one out really well. And guys like Shields and Holland are easy waiver moves, don't be surprised if you see Holland moved on August 31 for another lottery ticket.

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I wouldn't say easy. Holland sucks, and Sheilds is owed a good amount of money. I would not be shocked to see either guy move, but I would not be shocked if one or bother are still chucking for the Sox in September.

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Volstad is perfect for their plan. Guy throws BP with the best of them.

Agreed. Theyll either be traded or they wont.

Thanks, Spark.

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Mr. Blonde:

Either he's alive or he's dead, or the cops got him... or they don't.

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LMAO... Nobody is claiming Shields.. Doubtful somebody claims Holland.

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The only thing the Sox can do is pitch Shields as much as possible and hope his arm falls off. The sooner the better.

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I'm still surprised Gonzalez hasn't been traded.

If he is here in September, I'd look to extend him for another year on a cheap deal. That still leaves two rotation spots open for rookies. I wouldn't want to start more than two at the beginning of next year anyway,

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Still surprised?

That was either lucky or brilliant that the Sox were forced to take Clippard by the Yankees in order to offset salary and they were able to shine him up to the point that not only do they lose his salary but they get a prospect for their trouble. Talk about getting something for nothing.

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It looks like the Clippard trade was salary relief.

WTF Jerry? If you are rebuilding you get prospects, not money.

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Clippard was too effective. They either want guys to develop like Bummer, who they hope is going through the same process Kahnle underwent a year ago, or absolute turds.