People often lumping it all together is his problem based on that logic.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

How so? If he doesn't care how people interpret it, then why does it matter?

I can never tell if Terry's Peeps is sexy. WHOA--I mean, serious.

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If he doesn't care, then I can think he was referring to illegal immigration which would make his comments quite stupid.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Even if he means legal immigrants, with no jobs (in the town), they ain't saving shit.

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Maddon has slyly turned that restaurant his family runs in Hazelton into a taqueria . monetize everything .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Right, but he still doesnt care, so I guess not a problem for him, right?

I don't think Joe Maddon even knows who I am.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Here's the thing though- everyone is anti-immigration if we break it down far enough. Some people don't want foreigners in the country. Some people just don't want them in their neighborhood. Very few people want them living in their home. It's easy for the rich guy who lives in a gated community or in some compound in Palm Beach or Barrington to talk about how great immigration is. Neil Steinberg is pro-immigrant from the leafy suburban paradise of Northbrook. If he's really pro-immigrant why doesn't he live somewhere where immigrants are?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Every Goddamn Day


Not sure that last line holds up though. Im pro- (lots of groups of people)

I cant live with all of them

I don't think Maddon (and other upper-middle-class people) understand that; they don't get why many others have such angry responses to their lofty ideals.

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Joe bought a really tricked out El Camino so he's down with the cause , man.

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

But Steinberg obviously could live somewhere less homogeneous than Northbrook. Anyway, I don't want to single him out. He's no different than most privileged liberals.

My point is that expecting immigrants to adopt American values isn't some crime. And "Western culture" isn't some racist dog whistle unless you're willing to take a stand and say that making a woman wear a bag over her head and dropping gays from buildings is just a neutral/different culture.

Pretend you live in a very small country that is just your house. I'm sure you have rules in your house. You expect you daughter to behave a certain way. What if Neil Steinberg told you you should allow another ten year old kid to live in your house and don't worry if she doesn't follow your rules, she's different so fuck you?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Parkins often comes off like that.

Northbrook is full of Koreans.

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That is the exact reason I dont let Neil Steinberg make my decisions anymore


I agree with the thing about Western Values and culture. There is a reasonable expectation of that.

Yeah, that's the one thing I don't like about him. Sometimes I wonder if this is a case of having lofty ideals in a gated community or a way of playing it safe on controversial topics.

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The Koreans go to South.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

If it was unclear it's because someone wanted it to be.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Don't automatically hate someone because they look or talk differently than you? Don't be afraid to live and socialize with folks who look or possibly talk differently than you? Those really are lofty ideals that takes a child 5 seconds to achieve.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Checks out, all the Korean stuff seems to be around Lake/Milwaukee.

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Exactly. But on the other side of the coin, if you emigrate you should respect the culture of the place you've come to. If you don't, why did you come? If it's simply for economic reasons, maybe you're not the immigrant we want. If we don't have shared values, we don't really have a country.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

How much living and socializing with the people that look and talk differently than him is Joe Maddon doing ?

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

You believe in society? You're a Trumpet! What a Trumpet! Trumpet! Trumpet!

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What quote makes it clear? I must have missed it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Yeah, I better not see paczki in any storefronts next year. Just be american and make me a doughnut.

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He usually removes Jose Quintana with two outs in the fifth.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Of course you should respect the culture and try to learn it. That doesn't mean that you have to abandon your own though.

Most of us have shared values, we just spend more time focusing on the things that divide us. I know badrogue17 and nearly every other guy who posts here wants to work hard and provide their family with a better opportunity and life than the one they had. We don't need to listen to the same music, wear the same clothes or talk the same way for that to be understood. As a man, I will always respect that.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Socializing? A lot. Not sure about the living part.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Maddon's looking at it from one lens (a moral one), and it's a partial lens at that since he has his own interests (moral, financial, etc.). Yet he wants to close his eyes to the enormous problems created by immigration (legal, illegal) in a nation which does not have enough decent jobs as it is. We need to address that. I wish people like him would not ignore this immensely complex problem.

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