shouldn't it have worked on the third attempt?

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third attempt, third bullet...

This registered sex offender I regularly converse with on the internet just said something really stupid

I absolutely hate Clinton and don't know why your generation and older love him. Nixon gets a pass from you despite his Vietnam sabotage and the fact that he had to resign for committing a crime but you beat LBJ up for JFK's war. Ike was great but as a black man LBJ will always be higher on my list.

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Using your logic would make Vietnam Ike's war. It was neither Ike's nor Kennedy's war it was Johnson's. He was the person that escalated U.S. involvement in Vietnam. He was also the person that lied to Congress for the purpose of increasing U.S. involvement. It was his war.

Obama escalated the war in Afghanistan but no one calls that his war.

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Remember the Gulf of Tonkin 'incident' never happened. It was the weapons of mass destruction of the time but nobody questioned the government back then. Take into account Johnson's ego with running the war instead of letting the generals and military people run the war. Plus Johnson admitted many times that the war had to keep on going so his friends in the weapons industry and MIC could continue to make money.

Its pretty known now JFK was going to get out of Vietnam after he wont he election. He was playing Hawk to get elected in 64, but he had every intention not to get involved. We'll never know what would have happened but I think the Vietnam war would not have escalated like it did with LBJ.

But with the new revisionist historians of today, I guess Vietnam was all Nixon's fault.

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Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

The United States was actually at war with Afghanistan when Obama became President. They were not at War with Vietnam when Kennedy was President. As Hawaii you and I have pointed out, Johnson used Gulf of Tonkin incident as a means of selling the war. Why would he have to do that if we were already at war?

We had already entered the war and increased our troop level multiple times before LBJ became president. If Afghanistan isn't Obama's war despite his significant troop surge then Vietnam isn't LBJ's war.

Your dislike of LBJ and love of Clinton is really odd. I'll never understand it.

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You can pic nits about who started VN versus escalated it and so on but there was involvement for JFK and some level of escalation under him.

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The United States wasn't at war with Vietnam under Kennedy. it's no comparison.

It wasn't at war under LBJ either technically. Undeclared police action.

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Now whose nitpicking? Where was Kennedy's equivalent to the Gulf of Tonkin resolution?

The troop level increased significantly MANY times. He hated the commies too.

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No it didn't. Kennedy increased the amount of aid to the South Vietnamese. He didn't increase the troop level much and that's even if you believe that the advisers were actually troops.

I don't by the way.

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Ok Kennedy escalated the conflict by increasing the amount of "troops" to 21,000. Johnson didn't even though he made an informal declaration of war, held a draft, and sent guys in for the purpose of waging war. This is strange logic. Again if one is to follow this then Vietnam is technically Ike's war.

Either way it's not LBJ's war. He just tried to win it. He's the best president since FDR and Ike is the 2nd best.

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Then what was the Gulf of Tonkin resolution about? If it was not his war then why did he decline to run in 68? U.S role in Vietnam was minimal during Kennedy's tenure in office. Most Americans didn't even know that the United States was in Vietnam and we definitely were not at War. This is revisionism at it's worst.

It was similar to the Afghanistan surge by Obama. He left because he didn't want to do FDR numbers and his health was in decline

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21,000 advisers whose expressed purpose was to provide technical assistance to the South Vietnamese army versus 500,000 soldiers, a draft, and an informal declaration of war. That really is some surge.

The troop level increased significantly MANY times. He hated the commies too.

Either way it's not LBJ's war. He just tried to win it. He's the best president since FDR and Ike is the 2nd best.

A guy looking to leave a conflict doesn't generally triple the troop level multiple times. JFK hated the commies too and with CHINA and the Soviets involved JFK would have continued his trend.

If LBJ was a republican instead of democrat then he would be labeled one of the worst presidents by the left.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

And as Lyndon Johnson surely would have said, if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

You'll have to excuse HawaiiYou, he just found out John Kennedy died and he's still working through the stages.

A guy looking to leave a conflict doesn't generally triple the troop level multiple times. JFK hated the commies too and with CHINA and the Soviets involved JFK would have continued his trend.

JFK did not hate the 'commies' wtf. If he hate the commies he would not have given his American University speech. Do me a favor and listen to that speech and tell me how he hated the commies. He was trying detente with Russia before he died.

This revisionist history is too much.

But that's where history is going. Its all being politicized. People are being fed made up bullshit instead of researching history.

I can't blame Nas for his POV. He's been fed this as so many have on both sides.

If LBJ was a republican instead of democrat then he would be labeled one of the worst presidents by the left. But since he's with the right frat house, all his mistakes are dismissed.

Same goes the other way. When's the last time you heard Fox News or some right wing wacko state that Reagan was for immigration amnesty.