I'm a bad catholic in a lot of ways. I think priests should marry. I'm OK with the gays doing their thing. I'm pro-choice (within reason).

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No but it is always a possibility. No form of birth control is 100% effective.

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It's actually very difficult to get pregnant if you are taking precautions but I like the unavoidable outcome of your button pushing analogy so I won't debate it.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

That doesn't mean it was a choice to have a kid every time you do it though.

I can make the analogy more complicated by throwing in the concept that you get some sort of short term reward for picking it up with a very small chance of being the "button pusher" but I think you ultimately already understand the point the analogy is making which is that it is not necessarily murder.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Agreed, and that is why it is hard to say that a person "chose" to have a kid and should have no control of their own body even 1 minute after conception.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

But you're a good Catholic in a lot of ways: you've never raped children, you don't get haughty about which high school you went to, and you've never raped children.

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Probably ought to pay Norm MacDonald royalties for the pacing of that joke, right?

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Some of us shouldn't apologize for taking pride in where we went to school. Nor should you. You have spoken here where you went to school.

Most Catholics don't rape children, but you already knew that.

And many Catholic priests are married.

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On a very basic level, that is the expected outcome of sex or it's more technical name sexual reproduction.

Conception may not be an intended consequence but it certainly is a foreseeable consequence every single time.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

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What is the "Let's say..." meme?

If it's mocking Rick, I'd hate not to know.

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Didn't you say it was very difficult to get pregnant if you take precautions? To me, if you are actively attempting to avoid something, and the odds are very low that something will actually happen, you didn't "chose" to do that unintended consequence.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I used a hypothetical in a thread twice in a row and I guess it became a thing?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Exceptions are admitted and there are over 200 married Catholic priests who converted from the Anglican Communion and Protestant faiths. In most Orthodox traditions and in some Eastern Catholic Churches men who are already married may be ordained priests, but priests may not marry after ordination.

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Let's say it did...

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I don't know about MANY. I think it's a very small percentage and I believe only allowed if you are transferring from a different demonination or something like that. If you an ordained priest, you ant get married.

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That's the essence.

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I gessing MANY means more then half????

or at least HALF?????

sure are experts will let us know!!!!!

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You never choose an unintended consequence.

But when you know or should have known of a possible outcome of an action, and not some far flung theoretical outcome mind you, you do have responsibility for the results.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

We will leave that up to you.

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And I married a MO Synod Lutheran.

That is not what she was taught.

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Neat

I did not know that. My girls are being raised Catholic like their mom...I was raised Lutheran, and had the crap Dennis posted about earlier pounded into my head as a youth. I never bought the bullshit, but they tried.

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There are different rites in the Catholic Church. The Eastern and Orthodox Rites have many married priests.

There is an Eastern Church in the town we currently live in, and also in the town we are planning to move to.

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Let's say we didn't.

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AND IT WILL REMAIN THAT WAY

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We wanted to become members of said church and went through new members classes so we could understand what are children were being taught in school. It was a church with a preschool and elementary school. It was extremely informative as to the differences between Catholics (which I knew) and Lutherans. Just the sacrament discussion was eye opening. Or the wine becoming blood. Or how often you take communion. Etc. etc. If you want to call that process conversion, then fine. I looked at it as becoming a member of that congregation and informing myself on the Lutheran Faith.

I never bought into many of the core beliefs of Christianity. I do not believe in a literal interpretation of the holy book. I have faith that Jesus died for our sins, but I have an honest skepticism of even that most basic part of the Christianity. So I guess I don't have faith.

People act like they have all the answers. I read CS Lewis' Mere Christianity and several other books on the historical Jesus. I came to the conclusion that no one really knows, and those that say they do, are just doing it on the concept of Faith.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

You know a crap ton more than me on these subjects. I just know what I heard. I went through the classes and sat in the services. Right off their site:


"Of the Holy Scriptures
1.We teach that the Holy Scriptures differ from all other books in the world in that they are the Word of God. They are the Word of God because the holy men of God who wrote the Scriptures wrote only that which the Holy Ghost communicated to them by inspiration, 2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21. We teach also that the verbal inspiration of the Scriptures is not a so-called "theological deduction," but that it is taught by direct statements of the Scriptures, 2 Tim. 3:16, John 10:35, Rom. 3:2; 1 Cor. 2:13. Since the Holy Scriptures are the Word of God, it goes without saying that they contain no errors or contradictions, but that they are in all their parts and words the infallible truth, also in those parts which treat of historical, geographical, and other secular matters, John 10:35."

https://www.lcms.org/about/beliefs/doctrine/brief-statement-of-lcms-doctrinal-position

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Put that on a bumper sticker and watch attendance at Sunday mass skyrocket!

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