long time guy wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Here we go. You make a point (which you can't prove) I address it then you change your original point.
Again name the players that they passed on that would have allowed them to trade for Kyrie Irving? You stated that if they would not have whiffed during the past 5 years they would have been in position to trade for him. Ok now it's time to support it which you can't.
It is not about whether they could have drafted better. Nice try though.
Uh how is it not about whether could have drafted better? The Bulls having literally no tradeable assets besides Butler is a direct consequence of repeated failures in free agency and the draft. You seem to want to pretend that this is about someone they could have gotten for a 1:1 trade for Irving or some rubbish but when you have a roster filled with players no one wants because of systematic front office screwups, that's going to make a trade for Irving or any other player rather difficult.
You made a point that they passed on guys that would have allowed them to trade for Irving. Who were they? You can have 2 picks if you like.
How is it my 1:1 point when you are the person that first mentioned it? Drafting "better" doesn't put you in position to trade for Irving. If and when he is traded it will be for an All Star caliber player plus another starter. The Bulls haven't "whiffed" on that kind of player in the last 5 years.
I made no point about any kind of 1:1 trade. The point was simply that the reason the Bulls had nothing to offer the Cavs besides Butler is because they have no other assets of any value.
There's no guarantee that if and when Irving gets traded, it's definitely for another all-star, especially since his discontent is now being broadcast to the rest of the league. Cousins, George, and JIMMY BUTLER HIMSELF have all been traded for non-all-star talent in the past 6 months. Drafting better gives you tradeable assets and allows you to put packages together for all-star level but unfortunately for the Bulls they don't even have anything to initiate any kind of conversation.
None of the players you named have the value this kid does. Gourgui Dieng doesn't get you closer to trading for Irving. You came up with a hypotheses that you cannot support.