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I don't know why everyone is all up in arms about. She won't be in office much longer

https://massie.house.gov/newsroom/press-releases/rep-massie-introduces-bill-to-abolish-federal-department-of-education

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, Representative Thomas Massie introduced H.R. 899, a bill to abolish the federal Department of Education. The bill, which is one sentence long, states, “The Department of Education shall terminate on December 31, 2018.”

On the day of Betsy DeVos’ scheduled Senate confirmation for Secretary of Education, Massie said, “Neither Congress nor the President, through his appointees, has the constitutional authority to dictate how and what our children must learn."

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It was posted already. He's the same idiot who brought up the leave the UN bill. He's trolling.


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Her budget & the defense she's putting up for the cuts in it is abominable.

To essentially hear her in words and actions provide consent for discrimination in publicly funded education is jaw dropping. Some of the cuts seem downright personally nasty. Cutting out the funding support for something like the Special Olympics is flat out bitter and mean.

Scrawny bitch.

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If these results are true and demand among lower income folks is this high, then eventually there is no stopping the movement. It will be a ground swell from the bottom up. And if they suck, then like all bad businesses (aside from government), they will go away.

"Test Scores Don't Lie: Charter Schools Are Transformative

The Wall Street Journal


By Eva Moskowitz

24 August 2017, 811 words, English,

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Copyright 2017 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

I grew up in Harlem in the 1960s and early '70s. My brother and I attended a failing school where we were the only white students. My parents, both professors, supplemented our education at home, but we understood that our classmates were wholly dependent on the inadequate education the school offered. Even at that young age I perceived this as a terrible injustice.

Thirty years later, when I was again living in Harlem and ready to send my own son to school, those same schools were still abysmally low-performing. In 2006, when I opened my first charter school in Harlem, the district schools were still failing.


Today, there is a different story to tell about Harlem, and it is thanks to a school-choice movement that has given rise to dozens of high-performing charter schools. Today, almost half of the students in Central Harlem attend a charter school; in East Harlem, a quarter do.

The results of the 2017 New York state tests were released Tuesday, and my staff has been busy crunching the numbers. They demonstrate how transformative this development has been for Harlem residents. In Central Harlem, for example, the number of students meeting rigorous, Common Core math standards has more than doubled since 2013 -- from 1,690 to 3,703. Students attending charter schools account for 96% of that growth. Results for English language arts are similarly inspiring.

The highest performing charter schools, like Success Academy, have actually reversed the achievement gap. Black and Hispanic students from Central Harlem's seven Success Academy schools outperform white students across the city by 33 points in math and 21 points in reading; low-income students outperform the city's affluent students by 38 and 24 points in math and reading respectively.

Recently, the NAACP called for a moratorium on charter schools, claiming they created a system that was "separate and unequal." Lily Garcia, president of the National Education Association, the nation's largest teachers union, made a similar argument at a summer gathering of her members. American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten went so far as to say school-choice and charters were the "polite cousins" to Jim Crow segregation.

Given the incredible academic progress evident among Harlem's charter-school students -- and among low-income children of color attending charter schools across the country -- these accusations are breathtakingly cynical, designed to protect a union-dominated system that has failed urban communities for decades.

To justify their arguments, Ms. Weingarten and others propagate the myth that charter-school successes have come at the expense of traditional district schools. But this claim has been disproved again and again. In New York City, for example, a comprehensive study found improved academic performance, safety, and student engagement at district schools with charter schools, particularly high-performing ones, located nearby or in the same building.

This finding is exemplified by Harlem's District 5. Charter-school enrollment in this district has grown exponentially since 2006, the year the first Success Academy opened. Far from spurring a decline among the district's public schools, the district's academic ranking relative to others in the city increased slightly over this period. When charter schools are included in this equation, its ranking spikes an additional 12 spots, from 14 to 28. Neighborhoods like the South Bronx and Central Brooklyn, where a growing proportion of students are attending charter schools, should expect to see similarly dramatic improvements.

The reality is that even if the critics' narrative were true, it would mean little to Harlem's thousands of charter-school parents. Many of these parents attended the same kind of subpar local schools that my brother and I did, and were raised by parents who also attended them. They are acutely aware of how the education they received severely limited the opportunities available to them. Today, these parents are celebrating test results that tell them the roadblocks have been removed. Their children are on a path to college. Their loyalty lies not with an abstract system of educational governance, but with schools and educators who are doing right by their children.

Ultimately, the bare-knuckled attacks by charter-school opponents are a sign of desperation. Parent demand for a better education is undeniable: 14,000 Harlem children were entered into charter-school lotteries this year, vying for a total of only 3,000 spots; across the city, 48,000 students are on charter school waitlists.

Parents now have the freedom to choose and they are choosing charter schools. It is our responsibility as New Yorkers to give them more of what they want: public schools that are engines of opportunity rather than roadblocks to success.

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Ms. Moskowitz is founder and CEO of Success Academy Charter Schools. "

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If these results are true

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Ms. Moskowitz is founder and CEO of Success Academy Charter Schools. "

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If these results are true and demand among lower income folks is this high, then eventually there is no stopping the movement. It will be a ground swell from the bottom up. And if they suck, then like all bad businesses (aside from government), they will go away.

No they won't. The whole point is that charter schools have next to no accountability compared to publics but demand the same funding. And then when the learning outcomes aren't as improved as anticipated (or actually get worse), reform defenders conveniently shift from choice as means to an end to an end in and of itself.

And Moskowitz is full of crap as usual. Success Academy has plenty of issues (they discriminate against special ed kids, just like the majority of charters) and is not the least bit scalable. Ivy League grads ain't going to rural Alabama in droves.


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"The highest performing charter schools, like Success Academy, have actually reversed the achievement gap. Black and Hispanic students from Central Harlem's seven Success Academy schools outperform white students across the city by 33 points in math and 21 points in reading; low-income students outperform the city's affluent students by 38 and 24 points in math and reading respectively. "

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denisdman wrote:
"The highest performing charter schools, like Success Academy, have actually reversed the achievement gap. Black and Hispanic students from Central Harlem's seven Success Academy schools outperform white students across the city by 33 points in math and 21 points in reading; low-income students outperform the city's affluent students by 38 and 24 points in math and reading respectively. "

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denisdman wrote:
"The highest performing charter schools, like Success Academy, have actually reversed the achievement gap. Black and Hispanic students from Central Harlem's seven Success Academy schools outperform white students across the city by 33 points in math and 21 points in reading; low-income students outperform the city's affluent students by 38 and 24 points in math and reading respectively. "

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Fine. I trust the parents who are beating down the doors to enroll their kids in the lotteries.

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denisdman wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
denisdman wrote:
"The highest performing charter schools, like Success Academy, have actually reversed the achievement gap. Black and Hispanic students from Central Harlem's seven Success Academy schools outperform white students across the city by 33 points in math and 21 points in reading; low-income students outperform the city's affluent students by 38 and 24 points in math and reading respectively. "

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Fine. I trust the parents who are beating down the doors to enroll their kids in the lotteries.


I wouldn't trust them, either.

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I wouldn't trust them, either.


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Dennis I found there is big resistance to charters on the board.

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Step 1: Systematically exclude or attempt to remove all "difficult" students.
Step 2: Disingenuously claim that your results compared to schools who cannot legally exclude such students constitute an apples-to-apples comparison.
Step 3: Profit!!!


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Step 1: Systematically exclude or attempt to remove all "difficult" students.
Step 2: Disingenuously claim that your results compared to schools who cannot legally exclude such students constitute an apples-to-apples comparison.
Step 3: Profit!!!


:lol:

Exactly.

"We perform better than that school that takes all students"

Congratulations.

For-profit healthcare has gone well, so let's do the same to education.

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Dennis I found there is big resistance to charters on the board.

Charter schools can be good sometimes. Community-based not-for-profit schools that are meant to specialize in something the school district can't or won't cover (special needs, performing arts, etc) are good. It's the for-profit entities I don't trust. Education can't be commodified like that.

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denisdman wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
denisdman wrote:
"The highest performing charter schools, like Success Academy, have actually reversed the achievement gap. Black and Hispanic students from Central Harlem's seven Success Academy schools outperform white students across the city by 33 points in math and 21 points in reading; low-income students outperform the city's affluent students by 38 and 24 points in math and reading respectively. "

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Fine. I trust the parents who are beating down the doors to enroll their kids in the lotteries.



Denis what you find in the education process is that there is a selection process at work whenever there are high achieving schools. They tout their expert instruction on the front end while denying students that they don't want on the back end.

Charters are no different.

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I assume you guys are also against magnet special CPS schools as well. Make Bernsie's and his cronies send their kid to local most school only.

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I assume you guys are also against magnet special CPS schools as well. Make Bernsie's and his cronies send their kid to local most school only.

No, magnet schools can serve a good purpose, too.

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I assume you guys are also against magnet special CPS schools as well. Make Bernsie's and his cronies send their kid to local most school only.

No, magnet schools can serve a good purpose, too.


I wasn't really posting to you. Your post I liked.

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Maybe the doubters will believe the NYT, but probably not.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/nyregion/renewal-schools-test-scores-math-reading.html

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Step 1: Systematically exclude or attempt to remove all "difficult" students.
Step 2: Disingenuously claim that your results compared to schools who cannot legally exclude such students constitute an apples-to-apples comparison.
Step 3: Profit!!!


Except, Success is almost all minority students picked via lottery. But you like having poor kids fail to build the next generation of government dependents.

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Oh wait, it gets better. 15% are special needs. Wow how quickly the narrative crumbles! Their student body looks cherry picked...or not.

"Founded in 2006, Success Academy Charter Schools is the largest and highest-performing free, public charter school network in New York City. Admission is open to all New York State children, including those with special needs and English language learners. Students are admitted by a random lottery held each April. Success Academy operates 46 schools serving 15,500 students in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx. Across the network, 76% of students are from low-income households; 8.5% are current and former English Language Learners, and 15% are current and former special needs students. About 93% of students are children of color."

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And up next. Wait for it....they are a non profit! Yes folks. They don't cherry pick, they outperform everyone, and they don't make money for shareholders. Now give me your next excuse.

"Success Academy Charter School is not-for-profit 501(c)(3) corporation. If you would like to receive a copy of our 501(c)(3) Letter of Determination, please email us.If you have any questions about a credit card contribution, wire transfer or upcoming fundraising event, please call 646-932-1429 or email us."

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/nyregion/at-a-success-academy-charter-school-singling-out-pupils-who-have-got-to-go.amp.html

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Success Academy Charter School shareholder denisdman ERUPTS over perceived slights! You won't BELIEVE what the Pulte homeowner had to say!

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Success Academy Charter School shareholder denisdman ERUPTS over perceived slights! You won't BELIEVE what the Pulte homeowner had to say!


Lol! The market has spoken, and I love it.

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Excellent. They are holding students to account as to avoid letting the bad apples spoil the class room experience. CPS should try that. Expulsions happen at every school. God I love this model even more.

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Excellent. They are holding students to account as to avoid letting the bad apples spoil the class room experience. CPS should try that. Expulsions happen at every school. God I love this model even more.


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Unlike MANY, I don't pretend to be an expert on education but it seems to me that there needs to be some national standard to protect innocent children born to idiot Trump voters and various other undesirables. These kids will have no chance otherwise.

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Excellent. They are holding students to account as to avoid letting the bad apples spoil the class room experience. CPS should try that. Expulsions happen at every school. God I love this model even more.

I don't really care because charter schools are uneccesary in my town but you are coming off as unhinged here. Kick all the lesser performing students out is dumb.

Aren't you the same guy that says education is the key to success and yet you don't want to educate any struggling student?

If the article is true then it casts doubts on the actual success of this program.

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