Maybe underperforming or misbehaving children should be moved to other schools where more specialized work can be done with them? Maybe if they are dangerous they should be in a secure reform school? Just spitballing because you know, what we do now is great.

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It is very hard to kick a kid out of public school unless they have weapons or are caught selling pills or drugs. A kid can be a disruptive jag on a daily basis an you cant remove him.

Maybe we should run schools like a "business". Let schools lay off the under performing students. That will raise "production".

CPS has tons of problems but some of the shots are not really fair. I'll use private school such as St. Rita as an example.

St. Rita’s average ACT score is 23, while students in the honors program average over 28 on the ACT. Our average class size is 21 students, while the Advanced Placement program has an average class size of 20.

http://www.stritahs.com/why/

Well if you took those AP kids out and placed them in magnets schools, what would the overall ACT average now look like?

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I sense a lot of fans for Betsy's newest education program: "Most children left behind."

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Do you want to take a guess as to how much private schools charge school districts to take kids with emotional problems(per day)?

Except, I am pretty sure there is a law against this.

I am not a fan of ole Betsy at all. In fact, I couldn't tell you even one thing she has done. I think many of us said the Sec of Ed does very little when the firestorm on here happened when she was appointed.

Anyway, I have no dog in the fight. My kids are past this and I am not some investor in any type of private or charter school. I feel though that things should be tried. Even radical things in small experiments. The status quo does not seem awesome for everyone.

I get the sense there are many on the board resistant to changes. I further suspect some of this strong opponents of any change are either part of or closely related to teaching, teachers, teachers unions or strictly partisan etc. You can oppose republican ideas all you want but to oppose any idea and accept status quo is wrong headed.

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A lot I assume but how much is the cost of that one child affected many others? Would it be terrible for a district to have a parallel school for kids outside acceptable performance to catch up? Or separate sections within a school? Does forcing all to be together and social promotions work well?

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Business fail and get left behind all the time.

People are no different.

Start producing results or put on a yellow suit and pick up a broom.

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So, per child it is right under $500 per day.

To answer your question, I agree and disagree. School systems farm this stuff out, because of the liability. I am not for all of them being together, but add that up, and where is that money coming from?

So we should re-segregate, based on test scores. Smart school vs dumb school. I can't see how that would cause any problems.



I agree that something should be done, but I don't know what it is and privatizing and for-profit schools don't seem to be the answer.

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For profit school seem to get more business when the white house is red.

I thought special needs kids are excluded from the test scores?

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The problem is the charter schools either suck or game the system to look like they have found some magic formula. I'm not against for profit schools. I just don't like the propaganda marketing that Denis was sharing.

I mean do we really think if every school in the country was handed over to this charter school company that all the problems are solved?

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Eliminate the Dept of Education.

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Eliminate education. There won't be any jobs for the next generation anyways.

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Also this: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/nyre ... ities.html

I'm glad to see some of the charter advocates here coming around to the idea of simple exclusion though and the role it plays in every purported charter school number. At least they're admitting the actual mechanism for any increase in statistical performance, rather than the usual capitalist pixie dust.

Depends on the IEP and courses enrolled in.

There also districts with severely limited services. Which leads to dozens of kids not being identified until high school or never are.

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100,000 students for a district as large as New York and the fact that there is a lottery system should be the first tip off for anyone familiar with education. I'd like to know what the ratio for acceptance and rejection happens to be for this system. Also what is the criteria for admittance. I'm certain that they aren't randomly selecting children.


Selective enrollment isn't based on income Denis. There are low income Students at Young Payton Jones and North Side also. There are socioeconomic factors in education but not everything education based is related to that. Yes this particular system has a greater number of low income students but all they are doing is pooling the highest performing kids from low income neighborhoods. If you increase the number of students allowed into their system by say 300,000 the performance would drop significantly.

only 10% of New York's student population is being serviced by Charters.

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last time we were #1 in the world it didn't exist.

I know. I'm serious. It wouldn't fix everything, I'm sure, but it truly is odd that our decline starts right around when it was created.

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We could give every student in America 10,000 dollars a year, but instead, we fund the Department of Education.

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You mean the federal government taking over complete control of education didn't fix it? Isn't that concerning in regards to healthcare?

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I don't want to get in a health care debate, but I'll just say that health care has challenges that are unique and different from every other industry or issue.

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So does education though.

We can leave the healthcare part out of it but it does seem to be a strange contradiction that the federal government can't/shouldn't be in charge of education but should be in charge of healthcare.

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Thank you for your input.

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Not necessarily. Some people/institutions are better at certain things than others.

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That's true but that is why I trend towards having the government regulate rather than control something especially in regards to the federal government. There are obvious exceptions to that rule but most of those are because there is no realistic other solution for things like roadways, parks, police, and firefighters. Then again, I'm sure some people would like to make all those for profit too.

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Denis would go down on the FREE MARKET in a theater

In this case, I think it is more about his dislike of public schools and trying to justify that paying big money to send your kid to private school works.

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