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Illinois giving the federal government the big middle finger on its immigration crackdown. It's been signed into law by Rauner.

"The new law will essentially make it impossible for Illinois police to notify Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) when they have a suspected criminal illegal alien on their hands, thus increasing the possibility that they will be freed back into the general public.

The sanctuary state law also makes it illegal for local law enforcement to arrest an illegal alien, even if the individual is wanted by ICE for immigration violations."

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/08/ ... state-law/

Clearly, there needed to be a more humane solution than deporting the illegals in the middle of the night, and this should at least buy some time before there is a response by the feds. Very patriotic for Illinois to be standing up to the federal government and its overreach. It's about time.


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Clearly, there needed to be a more humane solution than deporting the illegals in the middle of the night,


So clearly the reasonable response is to completely ignore their unlawful activity. :roll:


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Dignified Rube wrote:
Clearly, there needed to be a more humane solution than deporting the illegals in the middle of the night,


So clearly the reasonable response is to completely ignore their unlawful activity. :roll:


That was my takeaway. That and the federal overreach enforcing existing immigration laws.

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pittmike wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Clearly, there needed to be a more humane solution than deporting the illegals in the middle of the night,


So clearly the reasonable response is to completely ignore their unlawful activity. :roll:


That was my takeaway. That and the federal overreach enforcing existing immigration laws.


I feel it's real simple. If you are not a citizen,you get a work visa that's good for 1 year. If you have a clean record,you can re-up for another year. 3 years in a row and you can try for citizenship.

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Nice stimulus bill for human smugglers and shady stateside outfits paying slave wages to trapped immigrants. People's government at work!


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pittmike wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Clearly, there needed to be a more humane solution than deporting the illegals in the middle of the night,


So clearly the reasonable response is to completely ignore their unlawful activity. :roll:


That was my takeaway. That and the federal overreach enforcing existing immigration laws.


What federal overreach? Enforcing immigration law is the explicit purview of the federal government.


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jimmypasta wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Clearly, there needed to be a more humane solution than deporting the illegals in the middle of the night,


So clearly the reasonable response is to completely ignore their unlawful activity. :roll:


That was my takeaway. That and the federal overreach enforcing existing immigration laws.


I feel it's real simple. If you are not a citizen,you get a work visa that's good for 1 year. If you have a clean record,you can re-up for another year. 3 years in a row and you can try for citizenship.


Gotta be honest with you Jimmy. I don't give a flying fuck anymore what they plan to do. For me, make the new law or keep the ones we have and enforce the shit out of either one. I am about done with all the political BS from both sides on this matter.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Clearly, there needed to be a more humane solution than deporting the illegals in the middle of the night,


So clearly the reasonable response is to completely ignore their unlawful activity. :roll:


That was my takeaway. That and the federal overreach enforcing existing immigration laws.


What federal overreach? Enforcing immigration law is the explicit purview of the federal government.


If it wasn't clear I was agreeing with you and mentioned the part Rube posted about supposed federal overreach.

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pittmike wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Clearly, there needed to be a more humane solution than deporting the illegals in the middle of the night,


So clearly the reasonable response is to completely ignore their unlawful activity. :roll:


That was my takeaway. That and the federal overreach enforcing existing immigration laws.


What federal overreach? Enforcing immigration law is the explicit purview of the federal government.


If it wasn't clear I was agreeing with you and mentioned the part Rube posted about supposed federal overreach.


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America wrote:
Nice stimulus bill for human smugglers and shady stateside outfits paying slave wages to trapped immigrants. People's government at work!


This is a mis-characterization. They want to be here, because the wages and quality of life is better than wherever they come from. First of all, to target and ship them out heartlessly is no act of justice. They should be entitled to appear before a judge, even if if the immigration courts are overloaded. It's goes against the Constitutional and fundamental human right to due process, that one should be able to face his accuser. This is not happening. I'm not saying that what they've done is right, just that they're entitled to plead their cases on their's and their families behalf. How is arresting these people any better than the round-ups of the Jews that occurred under the Nazis? If we deny these illegals due process, then we are hypocrites at the core. And who will be the next to be rounded up, for one reason or another? There is a slippery slope leading to totalitarianism. Let's not take away the dignity of the Mexican people and others from Central America, as Trump has sought to do.


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How is arresting these people any better than the round-ups of the Jews that occurred under the Nazis?

Its entirely different. We are not loading illegal immigrants into boxcars and shipping them to a death factory. They get sent back home.


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Nice stimulus bill for human smugglers and shady stateside outfits paying slave wages to trapped immigrants. People's government at work!


This is a mis-characterization. They want to be here, because the wages and quality of life is better than wherever they come from. First of all, to target and ship them out heartlessly is no act of justice. They should be entitled to appear before a judge, even if if the immigration courts are overloaded. It's goes against the Constitutional and fundamental human right to due process, that one should be able to face his accuser. This is not happening. I'm not saying that what they've done is right, just that they're entitled to plead their cases on their's and their families behalf. How is arresting these people any better than the round-ups of the Jews that occurred under the Nazis? If we deny these illegals due process, then we are hypocrites at the core. And who will be the next to be rounded up, for one reason or another? There is a slippery slope leading to totalitarianism. Let's not take away the dignity of the Mexican people and others from Central America, as Trump has sought to do.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

The libtards on this board are finding newer and more inventive ways to call people Nazis every single day. And unlawful immigrants do not share equal rights with citizens of the country, including due process rights.


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Calling DR a Libtard, that's a new one.


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Calling DR a Libtard, that's a new one.


Yeah that's a micharacterization if I ever heard one.

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America wrote:
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How is arresting these people any better than the round-ups of the Jews that occurred under the Nazis?

Its entirely different. We are not loading illegal immigrants into boxcars and shipping them to a death factory. They get sent back home.


Do I need to recite the "Pledge of Allegiance" to you, like the part at the end about "and justice for all."?


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Dignified Rube wrote:
America wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
How is arresting these people any better than the round-ups of the Jews that occurred under the Nazis?

Its entirely different. We are not loading illegal immigrants into boxcars and shipping them to a death factory. They get sent back home.


Do I need to recite the "Pledge of Allegiance" to you, like the part at the end about "and justice for all."?


Do you need to be reminded that people that just happen to get across the board are not citizens? You may disagree and want someone to look into some cases but to either make border jumpers equivalent to citizens or the same as being sent to gas chambers is not a great stance.

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Dignified Rube wrote:
America wrote:
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How is arresting these people any better than the round-ups of the Jews that occurred under the Nazis?

Its entirely different. We are not loading illegal immigrants into boxcars and shipping them to a death factory. They get sent back home.


Do I need to recite the "Pledge of Allegiance" to you, like the part at the end about "and justice for all."?

How about if you break the law you gotta deal with the consequences?

What a bunch of bullshit.


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Nice stimulus bill for human smugglers and shady stateside outfits paying slave wages to trapped immigrants. People's government at work!


This is a mis-characterization. They want to be here, because the wages and quality of life is better than wherever they come from. First of all, to target and ship them out heartlessly is no act of justice. They should be entitled to appear before a judge, even if if the immigration courts are overloaded. It's goes against the Constitutional and fundamental human right to due process, that one should be able to face his accuser. This is not happening. I'm not saying that what they've done is right, just that they're entitled to plead their cases on their's and their families behalf. How is arresting these people any better than the round-ups of the Jews that occurred under the Nazis? If we deny these illegals due process, then we are hypocrites at the core. And who will be the next to be rounded up, for one reason or another? There is a slippery slope leading to totalitarianism. Let's not take away the dignity of the Mexican people and others from Central America, as Trump has sought to do.



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pittmike wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
America wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
How is arresting these people any better than the round-ups of the Jews that occurred under the Nazis?

Its entirely different. We are not loading illegal immigrants into boxcars and shipping them to a death factory. They get sent back home.


Do I need to recite the "Pledge of Allegiance" to you, like the part at the end about "and justice for all."?


Do you need to be reminded that people that just happen to get across the board are not citizens? You may disagree and want someone to look into some cases but to either make border jumpers equivalent to citizens or the same as being sent to gas chambers is not a great stance.


Where did I write about these people being sent to the gas chambers or even invoke that comparison, pittmike? I was talking about the rounding-up tactic of the Nazis and how they denied the jews any justice. It seems to me like you are taking the stance that the Mexicans are somehow "untermenschen" that deserve to be denied fundamental human nights for their plight of trying to make their lives better. I know the Mexicans, have taught them in school, and eat all the time in their restaurants in my area and in Aurora. I think they're fundamentally decent family people who like their soccer.


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Dignified Rube wrote:

Where did I write about these people being sent to the gas chambers or even invoke that comparison, pittmike? I was talking about the rounding-up tactic of the Nazis and how they denied the jews any justice. It seems to me like you are taking the stance that the Mexicans are somehow "untermenschen" that deserve to be denied fundamental human nights for their plight of trying to make their lives better. I know the Mexicans, have taught them in school, and eat all the time in their restaurants in my area and in Aurora. I think they're fundamentally decent family people who like their soccer.


You hinted at it above. And then you just hinted at it two sentences after claiming you did not. It's called smuggling in connotation.


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Lol @ eat in their restaurants.

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Dignified Rube wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
America wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
How is arresting these people any better than the round-ups of the Jews that occurred under the Nazis?

Its entirely different. We are not loading illegal immigrants into boxcars and shipping them to a death factory. They get sent back home.


Do I need to recite the "Pledge of Allegiance" to you, like the part at the end about "and justice for all."?


Do you need to be reminded that people that just happen to get across the board are not citizens? You may disagree and want someone to look into some cases but to either make border jumpers equivalent to citizens or the same as being sent to gas chambers is not a great stance.


Where did I write about these people being sent to the gas chambers or even invoke that comparison, pittmike? I was talking about the rounding-up tactic of the Nazis and how they denied the jews any justice. It seems to me like you are taking the stance that the Mexicans are somehow "untermenschen" that deserve to be denied fundamental human nights for their plight of trying to make their lives better. I know the Mexicans, have taught them in school, and eat all the time in their restaurants in my area and in Aurora. I think they're fundamentally decent family people who like their soccer.


moron.


Also, what justice did the Jews deserve? They were being accused of being Jews, pretty sure they were all guilty. Easiest trial ever.

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I think they're fundamentally decent family people who like their soccer.


This is the essence of the problem.


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shakes wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
America wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
How is arresting these people any better than the round-ups of the Jews that occurred under the Nazis?

Its entirely different. We are not loading illegal immigrants into boxcars and shipping them to a death factory. They get sent back home.


Do I need to recite the "Pledge of Allegiance" to you, like the part at the end about "and justice for all."?


Do you need to be reminded that people that just happen to get across the board are not citizens? You may disagree and want someone to look into some cases but to either make border jumpers equivalent to citizens or the same as being sent to gas chambers is not a great stance.


Where did I write about these people being sent to the gas chambers or even invoke that comparison, pittmike? I was talking about the rounding-up tactic of the Nazis and how they denied the jews any justice. It seems to me like you are taking the stance that the Mexicans are somehow "untermenschen" that deserve to be denied fundamental human nights for their plight of trying to make their lives better. I know the Mexicans, have taught them in school, and eat all the time in their restaurants in my area and in Aurora. I think they're fundamentally decent family people who like their soccer.


moron.


Also, what justice did the Jews deserve? They were being accused of being Jews, pretty sure they were all guilty. Easiest trial ever.


Surprising considering there weren't any Jews left to be lawyers for the prosecution.

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moron.


Also, what justice did the Jews deserve? They were being accused of being Jews, pretty sure they were all guilty. Easiest trial ever.


Surprising considering there weren't any Jews left to be lawyers for the prosecution.


Anyway, you expected them to give up all that personal injury cash to be prosecutors?

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Dignified Rube wrote:

Where did I write about these people being sent to the gas chambers or even invoke that comparison, pittmike? I was talking about the rounding-up tactic of the Nazis and how they denied the jews any justice. It seems to me like you are taking the stance that the Mexicans are somehow "untermenschen" that deserve to be denied fundamental human nights for their plight of trying to make their lives better. I know the Mexicans, have taught them in school, and eat all the time in their restaurants in my area and in Aurora. I think they're fundamentally decent family people who like their soccer.


You hinted at it above. And then you just hinted at it two sentences after claiming you did not. It's called smuggling in connotation.


I think I was clear about what I said. If you try to muddy it, that's your problem.


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I believe this is wrong but when I read crazy and bigoted statements made by people who also feel this way I keep my mouth shut so no one confuses me for the crazy and bigoted people.

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Just Illinois trying to reverse the population exodus.


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I believe this is wrong but when I read crazy and bigoted statements made by people who also feel this way I keep my mouth shut so no one confuses me for the crazy and bigoted people.


Is the idea of following existing immigration law and if not aiding ICE at least not hindering them bigoted?

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