Went through 3 hurricanes in one season when I lived in FL. One of the worst parts is the heat that comes when your electricity is still out.

_________________

Meatloaf really sank his teeth into Cruz huh?

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Got a bad feeling this could get much worse the next few days.

_________________

You mean there have been hurricanes in the past? Strange, because in yesterday's column Neil Steinberg was blaming this one on climate change.

_________________
Freedom is our Strength.

You believe it's a coincidence the 11 worst hurricanes in this country all happened in the last 20 years?

_________________

I don't know what or who to believe anymore. Just this week we had posters authoritatively tell us that this is due to climate change and the storms are getting more frequent and stronger. Yet I also remember over the last couple years we were shown we were in some sort of lull of the really bad ones since Katrina.

This data from the authorities, as I read it, seems to show there was pretty much an average amount of major hurricanes and at least things are not getting worse in the last twenty years. A few years seemed to have the most with 5.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/E11.html

_________________
Elections have consequences.

That is not true per the chart I linked. Some pretty bad ones in the 1930's and 1950's. I guess you can measure it different ways example dollars which would trend more costly closer to today.

Bottom line is I do not condone treating our environment like shit and purposely doing things to increase carbon etc but there has to be an admitting that there is some sensationalism occurring.

_________________
Elections have consequences.

That "statistic" sounds like propaganda itself. Look, I think a reasonable person can acknowledge that climate change is occurring while also granting that it is a highly politicized area of science.

I think it's shameful for someone like Steinberg to take an event like this hurricane and use it as a tool to whip those he disagrees with politically.

_________________
Freedom is our Strength.

Don't you mean most expensive?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That is what I thought may have been the thought.

_________________
Elections have consequences.

Yeah. Things are always going to get more expensive for these storms because more people live there and there is more stuff to destroy. There was a hurricane in NY that was much worse than Sandy but less people and stuff was in the way so Sandy was worse.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

it definitely depends on the vulnerability of the area. new orleans was devastated by Katrina because Betsy in the 60's nearly sank the entire city. so it was already sitting beneath sea level quite a bit. if another Katrina-like hurricane hits, new orleans will be completely gone.

galveston's hurricane at the turn of the century was extremely devastating. that was almost 120 years ago.

i don't think using hurricanes as a political talking point is worth anybody's time, and undermines what the argument about "climate change" is about.

Well, maybe we are getting to a more sane time where things can be discussed without sensational claims, alarmist movies and other interference? Who am I crappin'?

Seriously, sensible environmental policies and changes by both people and industries are good in general regardless of the current debating.

_________________
Elections have consequences.

Yup.

That one, Andrew, and Katrina are the worst of the worst.

_________________

Ok then so NONE in the last 11 years to be specific.

_________________
Elections have consequences.

I was particularly annoyed with Steinberg because he did it in an "I'm not sayin', I'm jus' sayin'" kind of way that would be roundly mocked by the intellectual elite if it were coming from a guy like Mike North but he can get away with it by wrapping it around his politically correct talking point.

_________________
Freedom is our Strength.

Galveston's hurricane in 1900 was the most deadly. Mostly because hurricane forecasting back then was a dude standing on the beach looking at a cloud mass 3 miles offshore and saying "That might be a hurricane."

Erik Larson of Devil in the White City fame wrote Issac's Storm about the event. A great read because you learn about hurricanes, forecasting, the event itself, etc. Really great book.

This was also a bad one especially that far north.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It's pretty simple. Look at how many people lived in FL or TX back in 1950 and look at the population today. Also, look at the value of property and size of homes today vs 1950. That will tell you all you need to know as to why these storms cause more property damage today. Same thing applies if you go back 40 years, 30 years, 20 years, etc, etc. And 20 years from now, the storms will cause more damage than today even in real dollars.

_________________
Hawaii (fuck) You

Can we all just agree hurricanes are bad? Also, that they wreck stuff and flood shit?

_________________
Elections have consequences.

The chance that this storm was due to a random natural occurrence or any climate change is nil.

God was punishing Houston.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

In the US for sure. The Cuban Weather Bureau had forecast that storm going into the Gulf towards the US, but US weather service ignored those forecasts because they just knew they were better and smarter than the Cuban meteorologists. Whoops!

That storm still packed 35-40mph winds over Milwaukee, and destroyed ship off the coast of Newfoundland as it made its way north and finally dissipated. Thats insane.

_________________

for being a poorly zoned city

And attracting too many people from Chicago.

_________________
Elections have consequences.

Isn't Harvey worse than Andrew?

_________________

All the numbers are adjusted for inflation.

_________________

I'm not sure why Tiny, Leash and yourself have gotten so sensitive to this. Just because you are involved in the industry? This entire argument was set against the backdrop of people losing out on their homes/lifelong possessions because of technicalities with their policies in regards to homeowners and the flood provision. I made an innocuous statement of how unfortunate that is, given the profitability of said business unit over time. Which is statistically correct.

So, if I offended you Denis, I'm sorry. As for Tiny and Leash and your role in the industry...these people's homes are long gone, and these old wrecked piles is all that's left. We gotta live with that. Homes Rehabilitated? It's just a bullshit word. So go ahead and stamp your forms, sonny, deny your claims and stop wasting our time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a shit.

They aren't adjusted for population and increasing values of the property that exists in that area though.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!