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Two weeks is plenty for a guy. I'm done fathering children(thank God right?) but man, I wanted outta dodge after week 1. Fucking baby crying, wife in a bitchy mood, yelling, screaming at you the other kids.....post pardon depression. No sex..shits just a mess.


I didn't want to leave. Always felt like I was going to miss something.

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Two weeks is plenty for a guy. I'm done fathering children(thank God right?) but man, I wanted outta dodge after week 1. Fucking baby crying, wife in a bitchy mood, yelling, screaming at you the other kids.....post pardon depression. No sex..shits just a mess.


I didn't want to leave. Always felt like I was going to miss something.


By leaving I was hoping to miss getting stabbed with a knive by the babies mama.


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Two weeks is plenty for a guy. I'm done fathering children(thank God right?) but man, I wanted outta dodge after week 1. Fucking baby crying, wife in a bitchy mood, yelling, screaming at you the other kids.....post pardon depression. No sex..shits just a mess.


I didn't want to leave. Always felt like I was going to miss something.


By leaving I was hoping to miss getting stabbed with a knive by the babies mama.


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.....post pardon depression.
Partum me, do you have any Grey Poupon?

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Honestly the one on one time with my older kids was I've f the best parts of being around do much when the younger kids were born. My daughter was my shadow for a few years and a lot of that had the do with the time I made to be around to help my wife ever with the other kids and eth her when she was younger. Now she's a moody teen that I get to deal with but occasionally the little shadow pops back out. Usually when she needs me to goto vat for her eith get mom.


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I didn't want to leave. Always felt like I was going to miss something.


I'm sure you know this, but that feeling never goes away. 2 weeks, 2 years, 20 years, whatever. you think I WANT to go to fucking work? Hell no! would I rather spend time with my kids? Hell yes! But for practical purposes the secondary caregiver doesn't need to be around forever. somebody needs to make some dough. that's life.

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I didn't want to leave. Always felt like I was going to miss something.


I'm sure you know this, but that feeling never goes away. 2 weeks, 2 years, 20 years, whatever. you think I WANT to go to fucking work? Hell no! would I rather spend time with my kids? Hell yes! But for practical purposes the secondary caregiver doesn't need to be around forever. somebody needs to make some dough. that's life.


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I think people should be treated equitably in the workplace which, depending on the circumstances, may or may not mean equally.
What is the distinction between equitably and equally?



Do you believe in affirmative action?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I think people should be treated equitably in the workplace which, depending on the circumstances, may or may not mean equally.
What is the distinction between equitably and equally?



Do you believe in affirmative action?
It depends on the situation and why.

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Nas wrote:
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Two weeks is plenty for a guy. I'm done fathering children(thank God right?) but man, I wanted outta dodge after week 1. Fucking baby crying, wife in a bitchy mood, yelling, screaming at you the other kids.....post pardon depression. No sex..shits just a mess.


I didn't want to leave. Always felt like I was going to miss something.


The reality is that newborns sleep 2/3 of the day anyway, so you weren't missing anything.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I think people should be treated equitably in the workplace which, depending on the circumstances, may or may not mean equally.
What is the distinction between equitably and equally?



Do you believe in affirmative action?
It depends on the situation and why.



Okay, but you understand the difference between equitable and equal.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I think people should be treated equitably in the workplace which, depending on the circumstances, may or may not mean equally.
What is the distinction between equitably and equally?



Do you believe in affirmative action?
It depends on the situation and why.

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Two weeks is plenty for a guy. I'm done fathering children(thank God right?) but man, I wanted outta dodge after week 1. Fucking baby crying, wife in a bitchy mood, yelling, screaming at you the other kids.....post pardon depression. No sex..shits just a mess.


I didn't want to leave. Always felt like I was going to miss something.


The reality is that newborns sleep 2/3 of the day anyway


The other third of the time is when they are screaming at the table next to me at Psistaria.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I guess the balance is the point where too many "free puppies" causes The Man to move the factory to a place where he can use slave labor.

But I'm liking your evolution here, Rick. I'll ask leash if he can get you a BERNIE 2020 sticker for your Dodge Stratus.
That gets back to the concept that men and women should be treated equally in the workplace within reason. If a company can survive with a woman being out for 6 weeks to take a newborn why can't they also survive with a man taking 6 weeks? Also, there is a pretty logical theory that one of the things left with the gender pay gap is the concept that a man is more likely to be hired than a female because whether it is consciously or subconsciously done the hiring decision factors in that men will miss less time with trivial things like "taking care of a newborn".

Based on strong anecdotal personal evidence, I believe it too.

As an aside, I'm pretty sure I'm more liberal than you are.


You aren't more liberal than I am. You're a guy who wants to tweak the status quo so we have a societal version of the rebuilt Soldier Field. I can see a vision of an entirely different system. I'm not married to the prevailing system of U.S. pseudo-capitalism.

There are reasons people behave the way they do just as there are reasons animals behave the way they do. It isn't always thought out. The modern workplace doesn't look the way it does because some white males way back at the beginning of time sat around at a table figuring out how to keep women down. It evolved that way because of differences in the sexes.

Now, we can say we've "evolved" and make all kinds of laws or rules in attempts to influence behaviors within the context of the established system, but they don't always achieve the goals they were designed to meet.


My foremothers probably dropped the newborn at mid day while working in the field and were back to their business by the end of lunch.

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good dolphin wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I guess the balance is the point where too many "free puppies" causes The Man to move the factory to a place where he can use slave labor.

But I'm liking your evolution here, Rick. I'll ask leash if he can get you a BERNIE 2020 sticker for your Dodge Stratus.
That gets back to the concept that men and women should be treated equally in the workplace within reason. If a company can survive with a woman being out for 6 weeks to take a newborn why can't they also survive with a man taking 6 weeks? Also, there is a pretty logical theory that one of the things left with the gender pay gap is the concept that a man is more likely to be hired than a female because whether it is consciously or subconsciously done the hiring decision factors in that men will miss less time with trivial things like "taking care of a newborn".

Based on strong anecdotal personal evidence, I believe it too.

As an aside, I'm pretty sure I'm more liberal than you are.


You aren't more liberal than I am. You're a guy who wants to tweak the status quo so we have a societal version of the rebuilt Soldier Field. I can see a vision of an entirely different system. I'm not married to the prevailing system of U.S. pseudo-capitalism.

There are reasons people behave the way they do just as there are reasons animals behave the way they do. It isn't always thought out. The modern workplace doesn't look the way it does because some white males way back at the beginning of time sat around at a table figuring out how to keep women down. It evolved that way because of differences in the sexes.

Now, we can say we've "evolved" and make all kinds of laws or rules in attempts to influence behaviors within the context of the established system, but they don't always achieve the goals they were designed to meet.


My foremothers probably dropped the newborn at mid day while working in the field and were back to their business by the end of lunch.


Does this explain the long line of poor internet trolling in your family?


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I was lucky enough to spend 4 months off paid to be with my daughter after birth. I believe that both of the parents are equally important to the child and the bonding time with your child is priceless. I will be expecting my second child in April and will do the exact same thing, my time and bond with her is stronger because of this.


exactly; isn't it common knowledge that the nurturing part of an infant is most important? both mom and dad should be around the baby during that period. it's not just for biological reasons. that bonding period will go a long way as the child gets older.

except for FAjent. there's no hope there. poor kids.


This assumes that you cannot both work and be around.

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first kid I took about 8 days PTO (ie earned vacation), the second kid I was running my own business and took no time off. Thankfully mother in law came to help for a couple weeks. Otherwise my wife would have been pretty tired!

It's a good thing everyone has access to free labor to help take care of their newborn children.


we would have just dealt with it. people have been having babies for thousands of years under much more difficult situations.


I would have farmed it out to Mexicans.

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Two weeks is plenty for a guy. I'm done fathering children(thank God right?) but man, I wanted outta dodge after week 1. Fucking baby crying, wife in a bitchy mood, yelling, screaming at you the other kids.....post pardon depression. No sex..shits just a mess.


I didn't want to leave. Always felt like I was going to miss something.


The reality is that newborns sleep 2/3 of the day anyway, so you weren't missing anything.


It's being there to support the mother too. She's usually tired and stressed. From my experience if I could halfway do something right it would make the woman happy and that's a plus for the baby. Plus I always felt like I had to relearn how to hold a tiny baby.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I think people should be treated equitably in the workplace which, depending on the circumstances, may or may not mean equally.
What is the distinction between equitably and equally?



Do you believe in affirmative action?
It depends on the situation and why.



Okay, but you understand the difference between equitable and equal.
Not really.

I think that equal should be the goal unless there is a really good reason otherwise. I am waiting for that really good reason why 2 weeks for a man and 6 weeks for a woman is.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Two weeks is plenty for a guy. I'm done fathering children(thank God right?) but man, I wanted outta dodge after week 1. Fucking baby crying, wife in a bitchy mood, yelling, screaming at you the other kids.....post pardon depression. No sex..shits just a mess.


I didn't want to leave. Always felt like I was going to miss something.


The reality is that newborns sleep 2/3 of the day anyway


The other third of the time is when they are screaming at the table next to me at Psistaria.


Greek restaurants are supposed to be loud and family friendly. You don't complain when a guy screams out "OPAA!" and lights a fire every 5 minutes but a baby is disturbing your enjoyment?

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good dolphin wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I guess the balance is the point where too many "free puppies" causes The Man to move the factory to a place where he can use slave labor.

But I'm liking your evolution here, Rick. I'll ask leash if he can get you a BERNIE 2020 sticker for your Dodge Stratus.
That gets back to the concept that men and women should be treated equally in the workplace within reason. If a company can survive with a woman being out for 6 weeks to take a newborn why can't they also survive with a man taking 6 weeks? Also, there is a pretty logical theory that one of the things left with the gender pay gap is the concept that a man is more likely to be hired than a female because whether it is consciously or subconsciously done the hiring decision factors in that men will miss less time with trivial things like "taking care of a newborn".

Based on strong anecdotal personal evidence, I believe it too.

As an aside, I'm pretty sure I'm more liberal than you are.


You aren't more liberal than I am. You're a guy who wants to tweak the status quo so we have a societal version of the rebuilt Soldier Field. I can see a vision of an entirely different system. I'm not married to the prevailing system of U.S. pseudo-capitalism.

There are reasons people behave the way they do just as there are reasons animals behave the way they do. It isn't always thought out. The modern workplace doesn't look the way it does because some white males way back at the beginning of time sat around at a table figuring out how to keep women down. It evolved that way because of differences in the sexes.

Now, we can say we've "evolved" and make all kinds of laws or rules in attempts to influence behaviors within the context of the established system, but they don't always achieve the goals they were designed to meet.


My foremothers probably dropped the newborn at mid day while working in the field and were back to their business by the end of lunch.


That doesn't mean that this way isn't better.

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I wrote a review on Yelp! for some place and mentioned that they needed to have a changing table in the men's bathroom. Some asshole sends me a personal message saying I shouldn't bring my kid to to this place because it's annoying to other patrons. Well besides the fact my daughter was quiet the whole time and the place specifically had a children's menu, I messaged him back to fuck off and I hoped every time he goes out he's surrounded by pissed off babies and that he should also suggest changing tables because dudes are just going to change diapers on the god damn sink counter. Asshole.


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I wrote a review on Yelp! for some place and mentioned that they needed to have a changing table in the men's bathroom. Some asshole sends me a personal message saying I shouldn't bring my kid to to this place because it's annoying to other patrons. Well besides the fact my daughter was quiet the whole time and the place specifically had a children's menu, I messaged him back to fuck off and I hoped every time he goes out he's surrounded by pissed off babies and that he should also suggest changing tables because dudes are just going to change diapers on the god damn sink counter. Asshole.

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Nas wrote:
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Two weeks is plenty for a guy. I'm done fathering children(thank God right?) but man, I wanted outta dodge after week 1. Fucking baby crying, wife in a bitchy mood, yelling, screaming at you the other kids.....post pardon depression. No sex..shits just a mess.


I didn't want to leave. Always felt like I was going to miss something.


The reality is that newborns sleep 2/3 of the day anyway, so you weren't missing anything.


It's being there to support the mother too. She's usually tired and stressed. From my experience if I could halfway do something right it would make the woman happy and that's a plus for the baby. Plus I always felt like I had to relearn how to hold a tiny baby.


but you can do it all. Wake up for that early feeding, put the kid back to sleep, work for 4-6 hours, get back home, cook then play, kid goes to sleep, do a little more work. Those months are hectic but you find yourself capable.

I say this as a guy who doesn't work an 8 hour shift where my presence at the machine the entire time is necessary for the job. I think that person would have a different experience

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I wrote a review on Yelp! for some place and mentioned that they needed to have a changing table in the men's bathroom. Some asshole sends me a personal message saying I shouldn't bring my kid to to this place because it's annoying to other patrons. Well besides the fact my daughter was quiet the whole time and the place specifically had a children's menu, I messaged him back to fuck off and I hoped every time he goes out he's surrounded by pissed off babies and that he should also suggest changing tables because dudes are just going to change diapers on the god damn sink counter. Asshole.

Did JORR reply back?

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I wrote a review on Yelp! for some place and mentioned that they needed to have a changing table in the men's bathroom. Some asshole sends me a personal message saying I shouldn't bring my kid to to this place because it's annoying to other patrons. Well besides the fact my daughter was quiet the whole time and the place specifically had a children's menu, I messaged him back to fuck off and I hoped every time he goes out he's surrounded by pissed off babies and that he should also suggest changing tables because dudes are just going to change diapers on the god damn sink counter. Asshole.

Did JORR reply back?


:lol: I love quiet children in a restaurant. A lot of modern parents let their kids do whatever they want though. And some sit right through dinner while their newborn caterwauls.

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I wrote a review on Yelp! for some place and mentioned that they needed to have a changing table in the men's bathroom. Some asshole sends me a personal message saying I shouldn't bring my kid to to this place because it's annoying to other patrons. Well besides the fact my daughter was quiet the whole time and the place specifically had a children's menu, I messaged him back to fuck off and I hoped every time he goes out he's surrounded by pissed off babies and that he should also suggest changing tables because dudes are just going to change diapers on the god damn sink counter. Asshole.

It is amazing how many places don't have them in the men's room. Our local mall doesn't which makes no sense to me but I just avoid it now anyways.

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Two weeks is plenty for a guy. I'm done fathering children(thank God right?) but man, I wanted outta dodge after week 1. Fucking baby crying, wife in a bitchy mood, yelling, screaming at you the other kids.....post pardon depression. No sex..shits just a mess.


I didn't want to leave. Always felt like I was going to miss something.


The reality is that newborns sleep 2/3 of the day anyway, so you weren't missing anything.


It's being there to support the mother too. She's usually tired and stressed. From my experience if I could halfway do something right it would make the woman happy and that's a plus for the baby. Plus I always felt like I had to relearn how to hold a tiny baby.


but you can do it all. Wake up for that early feeding, put the kid back to sleep, work for 4-6 hours, get back home, cook then play, kid goes to sleep, do a little more work. Those months are hectic but you find yourself capable.

I say this as a guy who doesn't work an 8 hour shift where my presence at the machine the entire time is necessary for the job. I think that person would have a different experience


You're right.

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I think it also should be pointed out that most of these cases are salaried workers, and with how much companies have found a way to screw over salaried employees with total hours worked I think they can handle an extra 4 weeks of paternity leave.

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I wrote a review on Yelp! for some place and mentioned that they needed to have a changing table in the men's bathroom. Some asshole sends me a personal message saying I shouldn't bring my kid to to this place because it's annoying to other patrons. Well besides the fact my daughter was quiet the whole time and the place specifically had a children's menu, I messaged him back to fuck off and I hoped every time he goes out he's surrounded by pissed off babies and that he should also suggest changing tables because dudes are just going to change diapers on the god damn sink counter. Asshole.

It is amazing how many places don't have them in the men's room. Our local mall doesn't which makes no sense to me but I just avoid it now anyways.


Do they have them in the gender neutral bathroom? Really, no changing tables in the men's room is another brick in the wall of the white man's plight.

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