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The be a kid as long as you can is a conversation I've had with my kids for a long time. With my boys they have followed it very willing but my daughter keeps telling never she's not a kid anymore. Told her my parents still call me kid so she might as well get used to me calling her kiddo the red of her life. She groaned, rolled her eyes and walked away. She takes after her mother.


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I believe that we're raising more and more bratty and entitled kids because we've decided to allow them to do whatever they want.


I'm of the mindset it's because parents now want to be their kids' "friends".

And Leash, we have the wooden kitchen playset in the basement. It's like any other toy.....it gets used a lot for a while then it joins the other unused toys. Son loved it for a while and moved on. Now it gets played with when the cousins or other younger kids come over.


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I believe that we're raising more and more bratty and entitled kids because we've decided to allow them to do whatever they want.


I'm of the mindset it's because parents now want to be their kids' "friends".


And so many Americans want to live in luxury that we're afraid to tell 'em know or we feel like failures if we have to tell 'em no. Yes, you can go to Europe....let me just go a little deeper in debt.....


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I believe that we're raising more and more bratty and entitled kids because we've decided to allow them to do whatever they want.


I'm of the mindset it's because parents now want to be their kids' "friends".


And so many Americans want to live in luxury that we're afraid to tell 'em know or we feel like failures if we have to tell 'em no. Yes, you can go to Europe....let me just go a little deeper in debt.....


Agreed. You're not a monster for saying no. Very few people respect someone who gives them everything and lets them do whatever they want in the name of experience.

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I believe that we're raising more and more bratty and entitled kids because we've decided to allow them to do whatever they want.


I'm of the mindset it's because parents now want to be their kids' "friends".


And so many Americans want to live in luxury that we're afraid to tell 'em know or we feel like failures if we have to tell 'em no. Yes, you can go to Europe....let me just go a little deeper in debt.....


Agreed. You're not a monster for saying no. Very few people respect someone who gives them everything and lets them do what they want in the name of experience.


I have zero problems telling our kids no.


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My wife is the designated no-er on most situations which makes it easier at times. No isn't hard to say though once you get use to say it. It almost became default answer with my youngest but he caught on and started asking reasonable things "can I do my homework?" "No.. wait. What?" But yeah, my oldest has been talking about a car. What she wants and doesn't I kind of laughed and told her it doesn't work that way. Luckily she has a pretty good head on her shoulders so she isn't likely to be to crazy.


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There are gender specific things when it comes to little boys. I know that we live in this new era where you're shouted at for saying these things. A little boy shouldn't play dress up in his mother clothes, play with makeup or sleep with Barbie dolls.
care to expand upon this thought? What are the negative consequences to a young boy playing with what you believe to be "girl toys"?

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There are gender specific things when it comes to little boys. I know that we live in this new era where you're shouted at for saying these things. A little boy shouldn't play dress up in his mother clothes, play with makeup or sleep with Barbie dolls.
care to expand upon this thought? What are the negative consequences to a young boy playing with what you believe to be "girl toys"?


He can get confused about MANY things and it's highly likely that he'll be a punching bag. That will likely create more issues.

Why are you okay with your young son wearing your wife's clothes or makeup or buying him a Barbie doll?

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My wife is the designated no-er on most situations which makes it easier at times. No isn't hard to say though once you get use to say it. It almost became default answer with my youngest but he caught on and started asking reasonable things "can I do my homework?" "No.. wait. What?" But yeah, my oldest has been talking about a car. What she wants and doesn't I kind of laughed and told her it doesn't work that way. Luckily she has a pretty good head on her shoulders so she isn't likely to be to crazy.

A designated no-er? Wtf is that?

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As in I don't ever have to say no to the kids as my wife has already said no.


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Peoria Matt wrote:
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I believe that we're raising more and more bratty and entitled kids because we've decided to allow them to do whatever they want.


I'm of the mindset it's because parents now want to be their kids' "friends".


And so many Americans want to live in luxury that we're afraid to tell 'em know or we feel like failures if we have to tell 'em no. Yes, you can go to Europe....let me just go a little deeper in debt.....


Agreed. You're not a monster for saying no. Very few people respect someone who gives them everything and lets them do what they want in the name of experience.


I have zero problems telling our kids no.


Yeah it is one of my few joys in life.

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I believe that we're raising more and more bratty and entitled kids because we've decided to allow them to do whatever they want.


My wife is a 7th grade teacher in an upper, middle class neighborhood. 3 of the last 4 classes of kids have been generally bratty, entitled, and rude. Obviously, there are exceptions but these classes are a far cry to the classes she had 10+ years ago. And the tone of parent interaction with teachers has gotten much worse. What used to be a cooperative effort has become more finger-pointing and blaming.

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I coached my sons flag football team a few years ago. Had a kid that was constantly misbehaving, not listening. I yelled at him on the sidelines(no cussing). I think it got through because he finally focused and played well. After the game the dad came up to me and said I had no right to yell at his kid. I will never coach again.

I actually approach all my kids coaches now and give them permission to chew my kids asses out if they do something wrong....It's these fucking parents...the worst.


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I believe that we're raising more and more bratty and entitled kids because we've decided to allow them to do whatever they want.


My wife is a 7th grade teacher in an upper, middle class neighborhood. 3 of the last 4 classes of kids have been generally bratty, entitled, and rude. Obviously, there are exceptions but these classes are a far cry to the classes she had 10+ years ago. And the tone of parent interaction with teachers has gotten much worse. What used to be a cooperative effort has become more finger-pointing and blaming.


Teachers definitely have it harder today. There is advocating and then there is enabling. MANY parents don't recognize the difference.

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What the hell is wrong with nail polish? I wore it in high school and college and I still let my 4yo daughter paint my nails if she asks without immediately taking it off. Y'all have some weird hang-ups on gender.



Yeah, but you are out there being down with the clown so this is a bad argument for people like Tommy and me.

My wife didn't even let our daughter wear nail polish until she was 12 or so and my daughter still is make up free as an early teen which is great contrast from the style of most 14 year old girls out here which at best can be described as some sort of hybrid clown, kubuki and street walker technique.

I'm pretty laid back about this stuff in general. I was slightly concerned when my middle child grabbed a skirt and ran around the house until in turn he grabbed his sword and proceeded to scream he was a Scotsman and delivered a William Wallace like speech to rally his troops.


I just thought it was funny the IWW made a statement. Certainly not a Juggalo :lol:


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A lot of guys in this thread thinking it's still 1956.


N. Korea was still a pain in the ass back then,too.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
A lot of guys in this thread thinking it's still 1956.

Nothing really wrong with that.


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What the hell is wrong with nail polish? I wore it in high school and college and I still let my 4yo daughter paint my nails if she asks without immediately taking it off. Y'all have some weird hang-ups on gender.


As a father you do a lot of crap because your daughter(s) tell you too. I’ve worn friendship bracelets for about 7 years because they keep making them. I finally got 1 with blue in it last year.

There are gender specific things when it comes to little boys. I know that we live in this new era where you're shouted at for saying these things. A little boy shouldn't play dress up in his mother clothes, play with makeup or sleep with Barbie dolls. If my 13+ year old son wants to wear nail polish or any of the stuff I listed above because he is gay or because of some trend that is entirely different.

I believe that we're raising more and more bratty and entitled kids because we've decided to allow them to do whatever they want.


You can say no to your kids about anything, doesn't mean it has to be based on outdated ideas of what's manly and what isn't. And what's with the insinuation wearing nail polish is gay? That's dumb.


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Nas wrote:
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There are gender specific things when it comes to little boys. I know that we live in this new era where you're shouted at for saying these things. A little boy shouldn't play dress up in his mother clothes, play with makeup or sleep with Barbie dolls.
care to expand upon this thought? What are the negative consequences to a young boy playing with what you believe to be "girl toys"?


He can get confused about MANY things and it's highly likely that he'll be a punching bag. That will likely create more issues.

Why are you okay with your young son wearing your wife's clothes or makeup or buying him a Barbie doll?

I wonder why other little boys would make him a punching bag? Oh wait, now I know.

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KDdidit wrote:
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What the hell is wrong with nail polish? I wore it in high school and college and I still let my 4yo daughter paint my nails if she asks without immediately taking it off. Y'all have some weird hang-ups on gender.


As a father you do a lot of crap because your daughter(s) tell you too. I’ve worn friendship bracelets for about 7 years because they keep making them. I finally got 1 with blue in it last year.

There are gender specific things when it comes to little boys. I know that we live in this new era where you're shouted at for saying these things. A little boy shouldn't play dress up in his mother clothes, play with makeup or sleep with Barbie dolls. If my 13+ year old son wants to wear nail polish or any of the stuff I listed above because he is gay or because of some trend that is entirely different.

I believe that we're raising more and more bratty and entitled kids because we've decided to allow them to do whatever they want.


You can say no to your kids about anything, doesn't mean it has to be based on outdated ideas of what's manly and what isn't. And what's with the insinuation wearing nail polish is gay? That's dumb.


I'm not insinuating that wearing polish is gay. I know people who wore black polish and other crap in high school and they weren't gay. Besides I wouldn't care if my kids were gay. There are MANY developmental challenges and there is no need to confuse boys or create unnecessary issues for them.


Why are you okay with your young son wearing your wife's clothes or makeup or buying him a Barbie doll?

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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There are gender specific things when it comes to little boys. I know that we live in this new era where you're shouted at for saying these things. A little boy shouldn't play dress up in his mother clothes, play with makeup or sleep with Barbie dolls.
care to expand upon this thought? What are the negative consequences to a young boy playing with what you believe to be "girl toys"?


He can get confused about MANY things and it's highly likely that he'll be a punching bag. That will likely create more issues.

Why are you okay with your young son wearing your wife's clothes or makeup or buying him a Barbie doll?

I wonder why other little boys would make him a punching bag? Oh wait, now I know.


Feel free to answer my questions.

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KDdidit wrote:
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What the hell is wrong with nail polish? I wore it in high school and college and I still let my 4yo daughter paint my nails if she asks without immediately taking it off. Y'all have some weird hang-ups on gender.



Yeah, but you are out there being down with the clown so this is a bad argument for people like Tommy and me.

My wife didn't even let our daughter wear nail polish until she was 12 or so and my daughter still is make up free as an early teen which is great contrast from the style of most 14 year old girls out here which at best can be described as some sort of hybrid clown, kubuki and street walker technique.

I'm pretty laid back about this stuff in general. I was slightly concerned when my middle child grabbed a skirt and ran around the house until in turn he grabbed his sword and proceeded to scream he was a Scotsman and delivered a William Wallace like speech to rally his troops.


I just thought it was funny the IWW made a statement. Certainly not a Juggalo :lol:


I'm just going to pretend you are.

But yes, it was a funny statement for IWW.


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The older my son gets the more I subtly steer him away from more feminine toys. I couldn't care less if he turns out to be the most flaming gay in the history of the world. I'll love him with all my heart until the day I die. I just worry about how mean kids can be. He likes to watch The Descendants on Disney. It's definitely more of a show for girls but I do t stop him from watching. He mentioned the other day he wants to be one of the characters from it for Halloween. It's one of the boy characters so I didn't say no but I just said "Halloween is a long time away, you have plenty of time to decide".

It's great for adults to say "be who you are. Don't be ashamed." That's the right mindset but that's hard as hell for kids in school that are going to get bullied for shit.

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The older my son gets the more I subtly steer him away from more feminine toys. I couldn't care less if he turns out to be the most flaming gay in the history of the world. I'll love him with all my heart until the day I die. I just worry about how mean kids can be. He likes to watch The Descendants on Disney. It's definitely more of a show for girls but I do t stop him from watching. He mentioned the other day he wants to be one of the characters from it for Halloween. It's one of the boy characters so I didn't say no but I just said "Halloween is a long time away, you have plenty of time to decide".

It's great for adults to say "be who you are. Don't be ashamed." That's the right mindset but that's hard as hell for kids in school that are going to get bullied for shit.


Yeah no one is calling me gay or attacking me because I walked around in pink and red friendship bracelets. My son telling his classmates that I bought him a Barbie and let him dress up in women shoes may not work out the same way.

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The older my son gets the more I subtly steer him away from more feminine toys. I couldn't care less if he turns out to be the most flaming gay in the history of the world. I'll love him with all my heart until the day I die. I just worry about how mean kids can be. He likes to watch The Descendants on Disney. It's definitely more of a show for girls but I do t stop him from watching. He mentioned the other day he wants to be one of the characters from it for Halloween. It's one of the boy characters so I didn't say no but I just said "Halloween is a long time away, you have plenty of time to decide".

It's great for adults to say "be who you are. Don't be ashamed." That's the right mindset but that's hard as hell for kids in school that are going to get bullied for shit.


Yeah no one is calling me gay or attacking me because I walked around in pink and red friendship bracelets. My son telling his classmates that I bought him a Barbie and let him dress up in women shoes may not work out the same way.

Lets hope your sons classmates never find out about your grandma story

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