If only there were other stats we could use to assess Quintana's and Cole's performance... maybe one that includes runs given up per innings pitched...or how many baserunners each allowed... something.

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Use whatever you want. You'll still come to the conclusion that the other guy pitched better than The Great Jose Quintana in that game. And the other guy was facing The Cub Juggernaut.

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The other guy is a career .598 pitcher.

I was surprised to see it was Quintana that started since I hadn't seen any dumb threads about how many runs Q was going to give up in the first 2 innings.

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How did the other guy pitch better?

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Pitched longer with more shutout innings and batters retired. You know this.

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Right. He's a better pitcher than Jose Quintana. But you aren't complaining about his "lack of run support" last night and saying he deserved to win.

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It's the next morning and I'm still annoyed that double play in the 6th potentially cost me $200. Quintana better fucking get at least one more ND or loss.

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Cole didn't win even though he faced 5 more batters. I thought W/L is how we judge a pitcher?

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All pitchers have tough losses or no decisions. MANY Sox fans complained about Quintana because he had far more of these than everyone else in baseball. In 2/3 of his starts before this year he gave up 2 runs or less and in 90% of them he gave up 3 runs or lesd but was a .500 pitcher. Obviously he hasn't been good this year so no one is complaining.

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Seems to me it's one of the better ways used to judge a pitcher but a sample size of one is a bad way to judge a player regardless of your preferred metric.

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If Quintana has trouble getting past the 6th, that might be a problem and the reason he doesnt win more. If he wants to win and be a top pitcher, he's gotta start going 7+ on a regular basis.

Completely agree. This has always been my issue with him. He did better early last year and still didn't get wins but it makes your "unlucky" argument stronger.

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#1's regularly go into the 7th and 8th. #2's do that a little less. #3's are content with quality start.

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Agree with the last three posts. Quintana would be solid in a long relief role for a good team.

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Quintana pitched well and benefitted from a couple of real nice defensive plays by Baez and Bryant. Cole was more dominant and pitched deeper into the game. Great game to win and increase their division lead with.

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The bullpen never gets a rest when Quintana starts.

Jon Fucking Zambrano. Throw less pitches for fucks sake man.

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No shit . Nibble , nibble , nibble.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

WTF is he doing going 3-2 to the pitcher and throwing curveballs and changeups. You have that little confidence in your stuff dude?

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Guy made Schwarber look graceful.

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They should have called up Tseng or Butler (if he ever got healthy). Lester has to have a piggy back starter with this ridiculous pitch count.

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Schwarber continues to disappoint as does Bryant with runners on base. But the rest of the team getting it done so far.

Tseng must have hit his innings limit. Butler must have still been hurt.

For Christ sake, where is everyone? I'm about to go join big fan's board.

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I thought it was cancelled.

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I don't think he can read the ball. He must be swinging dead red and getting fastballs when he gets hits. He watched to curveballs right down the dick in the exact same spot.

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Symptom of alcoholism.

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I think he'll bounce back in future years but never will be a .300 hitter. All the fame he garnered and the post season success he had must have gone to his head somewhat. I heard an interview a couple months ago and he bragged about being a dead pull hitter, which is stupid. He needs to study Rizzo who studied Votto.