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My Grandma, (God rest her soul) probably would have had a heart attack if any of her grandkids married a "colored person". By FF's definition she was a "white supremacist" I guess.



Well, I'm not sure what else you would call that.

But maybe you're right, because I would guess that if any of her grandkids had actually married a black person, she would have come to love him/her. Maybe more than the white in-laws. At least that often been the experience among people I know.


I'm guessing every person on this board had a parent/grandparent/aunt/uncle that thought like this. People that say otherwise are full of shit.



Right, but what would be the reason for that other than a supremacist belief?


They were just a product of the times. Mind you, a forward thinking person today(defined as not racist) was pretty much a unicorn in the 1950's/60s. The forward people back then who were on board with Civil Rights movement, etc...many would still be queasy at the concept of interracial marriage. I don't think that makes them bad people, or supremacists looking back. You have to consider the "times" and context.
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And I will agree with you that the best argument that Trump is "racist" would be his housing practices... but I think that's more of him being an elitist than a racist. Unless there's something I haven't heard of where he intentionally discriminated on the basis of ethnicity? If he did that, then you could probably make an argument.

I'll be honest, unless you are bored and looking for an argument(a POV i very much sympathize with) I don't know why you are going out of your way to pretend Trump isn't racist.

I've met you once or twice. I feel confident in saying you aren't racist and you aren't a complete fucking idiot. What are you trying to accomplish here?


Why do you say dumb shit like this during arguments? Are you capable of examining your own beliefs and not just defaulting to "I CANT BELIEVE YOURE SAYING THIS OMG YOURE SO DUMB I DONT EVEN THINK YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOURE SAYING"?

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I don't want to overstate this, but Caller Bob and Leash are the reason racism is still alive and well in America.


With all due respect RPB, get fucked with that comment.
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I don't want to overstate this, but Caller Bob and Leash are the reason racism is still alive and well in America.


I hope that's a joke.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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My Grandma, (God rest her soul) probably would have had a heart attack if any of her grandkids married a "colored person". By FF's definition she was a "white supremacist" I guess.



Well, I'm not sure what else you would call that.

But maybe you're right, because I would guess that if any of her grandkids had actually married a black person, she would have come to love him/her. Maybe more than the white in-laws. At least that often been the experience among people I know.


I'm guessing every person on this board had a parent/grandparent/aunt/uncle that thought like this. People that say otherwise are full of shit.



Right, but what would be the reason for that other than a supremacist belief?

Those were different times!

He's actually a good father and husband!

He's a cop, so he sees the worst of society!
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And I will agree with you that the best argument that Trump is "racist" would be his housing practices... but I think that's more of him being an elitist than a racist. Unless there's something I haven't heard of where he intentionally discriminated on the basis of ethnicity? If he did that, then you could probably make an argument.

I'll be honest, unless you are bored and looking for an argument(a POV i very much sympathize with) I don't know why you are going out of your way to pretend Trump isn't racist.

I've met you once or twice. I feel confident in saying you aren't racist and you aren't a complete fucking idiot. What are you trying to accomplish here?


Why do you say dumb shit like this during arguments? Are you capable of examining your own beliefs and not just defaulting to "I CANT BELIEVE YOURE SAYING THIS OMG YOURE SO DUMB I DONT EVEN THINK YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOURE SAYING"?

I am. Feel free to respond to the actual post you quoted whenever you would like.

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I don't want to overstate this, but Caller Bob and Leash are the reason racism is still alive and well in America.


With all due respect RPB, get fucked with that comment.

Why the respect? Cause Im white?


Seriously though, excuses for racism need to die out.
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I don't want to overstate this, but Caller Bob and Leash are the reason racism is still alive and well in America.


I hope that's a joke.

I hope you die in a fire.
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Leash's love for Caller Bob finally got him in hot water. As a fan of both, I hope they both recover from this problematic thread.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
I don't want to overstate this, but Caller Bob and Leash are the reason racism is still alive and well in America.


With all due respect RPB, get fucked with that comment.

Why the respect? Cause Im white?


Seriously though, excuses for racism need to die out.


Seriously though, I wouldn't take you as someone who would be that simplistic about such a complex topic.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
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I don't want to overstate this, but Caller Bob and Leash are the reason racism is still alive and well in America.


With all due respect RPB, get fucked with that comment.

Why the respect? Cause Im white?


Seriously though, excuses for racism need to die out.


Let's back up to the point where I acknowledge Donald Trump is racist. Get back in your lane.
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But see, this is what happens... and I used to do the same thing, so I understand all of your perspectives...

But instead of having an actual conversation, you have labeled Caller Bob and me racist sympathizers. That's very open-minded of all of you.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I don't want to overstate this, but Caller Bob and Leash are the reason racism is still alive and well in America.


With all due respect RPB, get fucked with that comment.

Why the respect? Cause Im white?


Seriously though, excuses for racism need to die out.

They won't. I have a feeling The Deuce could change that though. Sundays at 10 EST/9 CST

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But see, this is what happens... and I used to do the same thing, so I understand all of your perspectives...

But instead of having an actual conversation, you have labeled Caller Bob and me racist sympathizers. That's very open-minded of all of you.

Who did that?

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But see, this is what happens... and I used to do the same thing, so I understand all of your perspectives...

But instead of having an actual conversation, you have labeled Caller Bob and me racist sympathizers. That's very open-minded of all of you.

Who did that?


RPB basically did unless he was joking.

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leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I don't want to overstate this, but Caller Bob and Leash are the reason racism is still alive and well in America.


With all due respect RPB, get fucked with that comment.

Why the respect? Cause Im white?


Seriously though, excuses for racism need to die out.


Seriously though, I wouldn't take you as someone who would be that simplistic about such a complex topic.

Is it complex? Maybe I'm missing something.

My grandparents were racist. One of em probably qualifies as a supremacist because he had some power on the local level.


There is no softening or explaining it away, imo. And most of us here were born in the 80's. If you hadn't "evolved" by then, you dont get to blame it on growing up in the 50s
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rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I don't want to overstate this, but Caller Bob and Leash are the reason racism is still alive and well in America.


With all due respect RPB, get fucked with that comment.

Why the respect? Cause Im white?


Seriously though, excuses for racism need to die out.


Seriously though, I wouldn't take you as someone who would be that simplistic about such a complex topic.

Is it complex? Maybe I'm missing something.

My grandparents were racist. One of em probably qualifies as a supremacist because he had some power on the local level.



There is no softening or explaining it away, imo. And most of us here were born in the 80's. If you hadn't "evolved" by then, you dont get to blame it on growing up in the 50s


Oh, you're referring to your argument with Bob. I'm not into that. Carry on.

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leashyourkids wrote:
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But see, this is what happens... and I used to do the same thing, so I understand all of your perspectives...

But instead of having an actual conversation, you have labeled Caller Bob and me racist sympathizers. That's very open-minded of all of you.

Who did that?


RPB basically did unless he was joking.

Pretty sure it was a classic case of a joke but there being truth in every joke statement. You and Bob arent prejudiced. Running defense for those who are makes you complicit though.

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FavreFan wrote:
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But see, this is what happens... and I used to do the same thing, so I understand all of your perspectives...

But instead of having an actual conversation, you have labeled Caller Bob and me racist sympathizers. That's very open-minded of all of you.

Who did that?


RPB basically did unless he was joking.

Pretty sure it was a classic case of a joke but their being truth in every joke statement. You and Bob arent prejudiced. Running defense for those who are makes you complicit though.


There it is! We're racist sympathizers! Break out the labels so the fight's over!

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leashyourkids wrote:
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But see, this is what happens... and I used to do the same thing, so I understand all of your perspectives...

But instead of having an actual conversation, you have labeled Caller Bob and me racist sympathizers. That's very open-minded of all of you.

Who did that?


RPB basically did unless he was joking.

Im going over the top a bit, but what is the motivation to defend racists with "technically, they aren't supremacists"?


Growing up in the 80's being gay was seen as weak, sinful, and disgusting by most people. Can I still hold that opinion now and say "hey, I grew up in a different time!"?
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leashyourkids wrote:
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By calling everyone a racist or white supremacist, it waters down the word.

What actual evidence is there that Donald Trump is a white supremacist?

He's ignorant, appalling, rude, and stupid, but let's ratchet back the constant accusations of white supremacy.

Define white supremacist then


white su·prem·a·cy
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the belief that white people are superior to those of all other races, especially the black race, and should therefore dominate society.


Now what actual evidence is there that he believes that? Keep in mind you're talking to someone who loathes Trump.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
But see, this is what happens... and I used to do the same thing, so I understand all of your perspectives...

But instead of having an actual conversation, you have labeled Caller Bob and me racist sympathizers. That's very open-minded of all of you.

Who did that?


RPB basically did unless he was joking.

Im going over the top a bit, but what is the motivation to defend racists with "technically, they aren't supremacists"?


Growing up in the 80's being gay was seen as weak, sinful, and disgusting by most people. Can I still hold that opinion now and say "hey, I grew up in a different time!"?


Dude, I'm not participating in your argument with Bob. I haven't even commented on it.

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There it is! We're racist sympathizers! Break out the labels so the fight's over!

If you truly believed in your argument you wouldn't get so defensive(JLN never does). I already directly stated I believe I know you well and believe you aren't prejudiced. Not sure what else I can say to excuse you personally. This discussion isn't about you and I though.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
By calling everyone a racist or white supremacist, it waters down the word.

What actual evidence is there that Donald Trump is a white supremacist?

He's ignorant, appalling, rude, and stupid, but let's ratchet back the constant accusations of white supremacy.

Define white supremacist then


white su·prem·a·cy
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the belief that white people are superior to those of all other races, especially the black race, and should therefore dominate society.


Now what actual evidence is there that he believes that? Keep in mind you're talking to someone who loathes Trump.


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Not wanting to denounce the actions of white supremacists


Some of those you could make a good argument (even though I'd attribute it more to his ignorance than his malice).

But look at the middle of your list. You're just listing ethnicities. What does that even mean?

Donald Trump is racist because of Asians and Jewish people?

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leashyourkids wrote:
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leashyourkids wrote:
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But see, this is what happens... and I used to do the same thing, so I understand all of your perspectives...

But instead of having an actual conversation, you have labeled Caller Bob and me racist sympathizers. That's very open-minded of all of you.

Who did that?


RPB basically did unless he was joking.

Im going over the top a bit, but what is the motivation to defend racists with "technically, they aren't supremacists"?


Growing up in the 80's being gay was seen as weak, sinful, and disgusting by most people. Can I still hold that opinion now and say "hey, I grew up in a different time!"?


Dude, I'm not participating in your argument with Bob. I haven't even commented on it.

ok, but you are trying to draw a distinct definition between racist and supremacist, right?

What's the point of that?
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rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
But see, this is what happens... and I used to do the same thing, so I understand all of your perspectives...

But instead of having an actual conversation, you have labeled Caller Bob and me racist sympathizers. That's very open-minded of all of you.

Who did that?


RPB basically did unless he was joking.

Im going over the top a bit, but what is the motivation to defend racists with "technically, they aren't supremacists"?


Growing up in the 80's being gay was seen as weak, sinful, and disgusting by most people. Can I still hold that opinion now and say "hey, I grew up in a different time!"?


Dude, I'm not participating in your argument with Bob. I haven't even commented on it.

ok, but you are trying to draw a distinct definition between racist and supremacist, right?

What's the point of that?


No, I don't think I've done that. Are you drinking?

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leashyourkids wrote:
Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
By calling everyone a racist or white supremacist, it waters down the word.

What actual evidence is there that Donald Trump is a white supremacist?

He's ignorant, appalling, rude, and stupid, but let's ratchet back the constant accusations of white supremacy.

Define white supremacist then


white su·prem·a·cy
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the belief that white people are superior to those of all other races, especially the black race, and should therefore dominate society.


Now what actual evidence is there that he believes that? Keep in mind you're talking to someone who loathes Trump.


Renting practices
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Obama
Jewish people
Arabs
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Take our country back
Winking at white supremacists
Not wanting to denounce the actions of white supremacists


Some of those you could make a good argument (even though I'd attribute it more to his ignorance than his malice).

But look at the middle of your list. You're just listing ethnicities. What does that even mean?

Donald Trump is racist because of Asians and Jewish people?


It reminds me of that hilarious seen from The Distinguished Gentlemen"
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BTW, by being so cavalier about throwing around the term "white supremacist" you are marginalizing the plight of all who have actually suffered (physically/mentally) for hundreds of years at the hand of real "white supremacists".

Just say Trump is a racist prick and call it a day.


Really?

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