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By calling everyone a racist or white supremacist, it waters down the word.

What actual evidence is there that Donald Trump is a white supremacist?

He's ignorant, appalling, rude, and stupid, but let's ratchet back the constant accusations of white supremacy.

Define white supremacist then


white su·prem·a·cy
noun
the belief that white people are superior to those of all other races, especially the black race, and should therefore dominate society.


Now what actual evidence is there that he believes that? Keep in mind you're talking to someone who loathes Trump.


Renting practices
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Obama
Jewish people
Arabs
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Take our country back
Winking at white supremacists
Not wanting to denounce the actions of white supremacists


Some of those you could make a good argument (even though I'd attribute it more to his ignorance than his malice).

But look at the middle of your list. You're just listing ethnicities. What does that even mean?

Donald Trump is racist because of Asians and Jewish people?


i would argue he's probably treated as many white people in the same way he's treated jews, asians, blacks, arabs, on and on and on. we are cherry picking incidents that just happen to include POC. many of these incidents occured for other reasons as well, not just because of the "race" tick box (example renting practices)

question. i rent homes out (i don't). indian renters use so much curry and other spices in their cooking (i have an indian friend who owns about 5 houses, only rents them to indians (john deere contract employees) because they are the only ones that will rent them) , many times, its nearly impossible to get the smell out of the home which limits who might rent that home after those tenants left, thus minimizing potential profits. if an indian person wanted to rent a home i had for rent that hadn't previously been rented to another indian person and i refused to rent it to them solely for this reason, am i a white supremacist? or is that a white supremacist action?


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BTW, by being so cavalier about throwing around the term "white supremacist" you are marginalizing the plight of all who have actually suffered (physically/mentally) for hundreds of years at the hand of real "white supremacists".

:lol: Holy shit.

For the longest time I thought you were a mult/troll. Lately I was coming around to thinking you were a legit poster. Not sure what to think now.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
By calling everyone a racist or white supremacist, it waters down the word.

What actual evidence is there that Donald Trump is a white supremacist?

He's ignorant, appalling, rude, and stupid, but let's ratchet back the constant accusations of white supremacy.

Define white supremacist then


white su·prem·a·cy
noun
the belief that white people are superior to those of all other races, especially the black race, and should therefore dominate society.


Now what actual evidence is there that he believes that? Keep in mind you're talking to someone who loathes Trump.


Renting practices
Central Park 5
Obama
Jewish people
Arabs
Asians
Take our country back
Winking at white supremacists
Not wanting to denounce the actions of white supremacists


Some of those you could make a good argument (even though I'd attribute it more to his ignorance than his malice).

But look at the middle of your list. You're just listing ethnicities. What does that even mean?

Donald Trump is racist because of Asians and Jewish people?


His views on other groups of people and his action lead some to feel that he is racist and a white supremacist. I didn't say you would have to agree I just listed some things that could make people call him one.

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i would argue he's probably treated as many white people in the same way he's treated jews, asians, blacks, arabs, on and on and on. we are cherry picking incidents that just happen to include POC. many of these incidents occured for other reasons as well, not just because of the "race" tick box.



Right. And, I've already said("my opinion") that he's racist, he sucks, prick..shouldn't be POTUS, etc, etc...but that isn't enough I guess.

Look I get this is all a "bit" from FF and RPB. Especially FF(it puts him at full tilt) but these last 3-4 pages weren't necessary. They really were not.


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ok, but you are trying to draw a distinct definition between racist and supremacist, right?

What's the point of that?


No, I don't think I've done that. Are you drinking?

I guess I misunderstood your post here

http://chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?p=2798301#p2798301


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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
By calling everyone a racist or white supremacist, it waters down the word.

What actual evidence is there that Donald Trump is a white supremacist?

He's ignorant, appalling, rude, and stupid, but let's ratchet back the constant accusations of white supremacy.

Define white supremacist then


white su·prem·a·cy
noun
the belief that white people are superior to those of all other races, especially the black race, and should therefore dominate society.


Now what actual evidence is there that he believes that? Keep in mind you're talking to someone who loathes Trump.


Renting practices
Central Park 5
Obama
Jewish people
Arabs
Asians
Take our country back
Winking at white supremacists
Not wanting to denounce the actions of white supremacists


Some of those you could make a good argument (even though I'd attribute it more to his ignorance than his malice).

But look at the middle of your list. You're just listing ethnicities. What does that even mean?

Donald Trump is racist because of Asians and Jewish people?


His views on other groups of people and his action lead some to feel that he is racist and a white supremacist. I didn't say you would have to agree I just listed some things that could make people call him one.


I understand your perspective, and if someone wants to view Trump as racist, fine. Half the country probably does. And either way, he's bad for the country and mind-numbingly stupid. My larger point is that cavalierly throwing around terms like "racist" and "white supremacist" doesn't really help anything and actually usually hurts. It waters down the terms themselves, and it is often used to just label someone and shut down a conversation without debate ("I won the argument no matter what because you're a RACIST!"). I think our generation (you, me, FF, RPB, etc.) uses the terms way too much with people we disagree with. That's all I'm saying.

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Look I get this is all a "bit" from FF and RPB. Especially FF(it puts him at full tilt) but these last 3-4 pages weren't necessary. They really were not.

I want to be clear here. If you are saying Trump is racist but not supremicist, I consider that to be an extremely stupid argument to take up, and my respect is lowered for that person. This isn't a bit. This also applies to my good friend leash whom I have a great deal of respect for when we aren't busting balls on here. I still am hoping he's just trying to be argumentative in the last few pages and not serious. After all, he used to actually criticize me for not publicly criticizing Trump as much as I did one on one.

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hnd wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
By calling everyone a racist or white supremacist, it waters down the word.

What actual evidence is there that Donald Trump is a white supremacist?

He's ignorant, appalling, rude, and stupid, but let's ratchet back the constant accusations of white supremacy.

Define white supremacist then


white su·prem·a·cy
noun
the belief that white people are superior to those of all other races, especially the black race, and should therefore dominate society.


Now what actual evidence is there that he believes that? Keep in mind you're talking to someone who loathes Trump.


Renting practices
Central Park 5
Obama
Jewish people
Arabs
Asians
Take our country back
Winking at white supremacists
Not wanting to denounce the actions of white supremacists


Some of those you could make a good argument (even though I'd attribute it more to his ignorance than his malice).

But look at the middle of your list. You're just listing ethnicities. What does that even mean?

Donald Trump is racist because of Asians and Jewish people?


i would argue he's probably treated as many white people in the same way he's treated jews, asians, blacks, arabs, on and on and on. we are cherry picking incidents that just happen to include POC. many of these incidents occured for other reasons as well, not just because of the "race" tick box (example renting practices)

question. i rent homes out (i don't). indian renters use so much curry and other spices in their cooking (i have an indian friend who owns about 5 houses, only rents them to indians (john deere contract employees) because they are the only ones that will rent them) , many times, its nearly impossible to get the smell out of the home which limits who might rent that home after those tenants left, thus minimizing potential profits. if an indian person wanted to rent a home i had for rent that hadn't previously been rented to another indian person and i refused to rent it to them solely for this reason, am i a white supremacist? or is that a white supremacist action?

Why not just make a rule about strong food odors?


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i would argue he's probably treated as many white people in the same way he's treated jews, asians, blacks, arabs, on and on and on. we are cherry picking incidents that just happen to include POC. many of these incidents occured for other reasons as well, not just because of the "race" tick box.



Right. And, I've already said("my opinion") that he's racist, he sucks, prick..shouldn't be POTUS, etc, etc...but that isn't enough I guess.

Look I get this is all a "bit" from FF and RPB. Especially FF(it puts him at full tilt) but these last 3-4 pages weren't necessary. They really were not.

You are nuts. You posted that your white grandparents think white people are superior, but they arent white supremacists.


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FavreFan/RPB the "act" you are putting on here basically epitomizes the "regressive left" and the "regressive left" was the reason Trump won the 1st time and if he is elected to a 2nd term, they will be the main reason again.


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hnd wrote:
i would argue he's probably treated as many white people in the same way he's treated jews, asians, blacks, arabs, on and on and on. we are cherry picking incidents that just happen to include POC. many of these incidents occured for other reasons as well, not just because of the "race" tick box.



Right. And, I've already said("my opinion") that he's racist, he sucks, prick..shouldn't be POTUS, etc, etc...but that isn't enough I guess.

Look I get this is all a "bit" from FF and RPB. Especially FF(it puts him at full tilt) but these last 3-4 pages weren't necessary. They really were not.


i think he's willing to make assumptions based on race, don't necessarily think he thinks the white race is a superior race, i think he thinks he himself is superior to all (maniacally) and isn't really doing a good job at presidenting so far. never was a fan and certainly am not becoming more fond of him. more like a loathing and brings me great concern for people who support him 100% or on the other side those who think him hitler 2.0.


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Why not just make a rule about strong food odors?


how very white supremacist of you. cultural exlusionism.


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FavreFan/RPB the "act" you are putting on here basically epitomizes the "regressive left" and the "regressive left" was the reason Trump won the 1st time and if he is elected to a 2nd term, they will be the main reason again.

Horrible argument. I've criticized the left as much as most on here. It's ok to call a racist person a racist though.

You remind me of John Kerry trying to shoot geese the week before the election. Grow a spine and take a side and stop pandering to those you despise.

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hnd wrote:
i would argue he's probably treated as many white people in the same way he's treated jews, asians, blacks, arabs, on and on and on. we are cherry picking incidents that just happen to include POC. many of these incidents occured for other reasons as well, not just because of the "race" tick box.



Right. And, I've already said("my opinion") that he's racist, he sucks, prick..shouldn't be POTUS, etc, etc...but that isn't enough I guess.

Look I get this is all a "bit" from FF and RPB. Especially FF(it puts him at full tilt) but these last 3-4 pages weren't necessary. They really were not.

You are nuts. You posted that your white grandparents think white people are superior, but they arent white supremacists.


So basically, I have to reevaluate my dead grandparents to see if they were indeed "white supremacists". Should i then alter my memories/opinion of them? This is straight up SJW/DiCaro shit man...do you realize how fucking stupid you sound?


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It's ok to call a racist person a racist though.


You can put this straw man away anytime now.

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Why not just make a rule about strong food odors?


how very white supremacist of you. cultural exlusionism.

No, quite the opposite. The smell of Currie is not a race or group of people.

In fact Im going out of my way to be inclusive.


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My larger point is that cavalierly throwing around terms like "racist" and "white supremacist" doesn't really help anything and actually usually hurts. It waters down the terms themselves, and it is often used to just label someone and shut down a conversation without debate. That's all I'm saying.


You couldn't be more correct.

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and its absurd for the white house to say its fire-able. trump literally went on a which hunt basically accusing the sitting president as not even being a citizen of the US. its complete hypocrisy.


There were experts that said the birth certificate he presented was a forgery.

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I think our generation (you, me, FF, RPB, etc.) uses the terms way too much with people we disagree with. That's all I'm saying.

I know you included yourself in this but cards on the table time. Tell me one person I unfairly accused of being racist. If you can't come up with one, I'd like you to admit you were wrong here as I don't believe I am part of the problem that I agree some people have of accusing others they disagree with of being racist.

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It's ok to call a racist person a racist though.


You can put this straw man away anytime now.

When it comes to Donald Trump? Are you serious?

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I think our generation (you, me, FF, RPB, etc.) uses the terms way too much with people we disagree with. That's all I'm saying.

I know you included yourself in this but cards on the table time. Tell me one person I unfairly accused of being racist. If you can't come up with one, I'd like you to admit you were wrong here as I don't believe I am part of the problem that I agree some people have of accusing others they disagree with of being racist.



Why are you bringing up the term racist? We've already acknowledged that Trump is racist. The issue here is "White Supremacy". If you are going to stick with the "bit", try and keep up.


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i would argue he's probably treated as many white people in the same way he's treated jews, asians, blacks, arabs, on and on and on. we are cherry picking incidents that just happen to include POC. many of these incidents occured for other reasons as well, not just because of the "race" tick box.



Right. And, I've already said("my opinion") that he's racist, he sucks, prick..shouldn't be POTUS, etc, etc...but that isn't enough I guess.

Look I get this is all a "bit" from FF and RPB. Especially FF(it puts him at full tilt) but these last 3-4 pages weren't necessary. They really were not.

You are nuts. You posted that your white grandparents think white people are superior, but they arent white supremacists.


So basically, I have to reevaluate my dead grandparents to see if they were indeed "white supremacists". Should i then alter my memories/opinion of them? This is straight up SJW/DiCaro shit man...do you realize how fucking stupid you sound?

I sound stupid?

you are literally saying "thinking white people are superior, doesnt make you a white supremacist"

It's indefensible and laughable.

I know you loved your grandparents. I had love for mine. Doesnt change what they were.

And no one is digging them up or attacking them. It was your dumb ass that brought up this terrible argument that has been refuted by everyone in the thread on both sides (FF, Leash, myself, Robert Chief, JORR)

You're wrong and ridiculous. Re-evaluate.


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I think our generation (you, me, FF, RPB, etc.) uses the terms way too much with people we disagree with. That's all I'm saying.

I know you included yourself in this but cards on the table time. Tell me one person I unfairly accused of being racist. If you can't come up with one, I'd like you to admit you were wrong here as I don't believe I am part of the problem that I agree some people have of accusing others they disagree with of being racist.


The cop who strangled the kid on his lawn.

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I think our generation (you, me, FF, RPB, etc.) uses the terms way too much with people we disagree with. That's all I'm saying.

I know you included yourself in this but cards on the table time. Tell me one person I unfairly accused of being racist. If you can't come up with one, I'd like you to admit you were wrong here as I don't believe I am part of the problem that I agree some people have of accusing others they disagree with of being racist.



Why are you bringing up the term racist? We've already acknowledged that Trump is racist. The issue here is "White Supremacy". If you are going to stick with the "bit", try and keep up.

I've asked you several times and you have yet to tell me the difference. Try *to* keep up

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we've watered down the concept of white supremacy to a level where 1/2 the population are white supremacists if donald trump is.

Bingo


Yup.

People are way too quick to throw around those terms.

I'm willing to admit I could be wrong(yeah, this is one of those unicorn moments), but what is the difference between thinking white people are better than everyone else and white supremacy?

Not having to wear a costume.

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I think our generation (you, me, FF, RPB, etc.) uses the terms way too much with people we disagree with. That's all I'm saying.

I know you included yourself in this but cards on the table time. Tell me one person I unfairly accused of being racist. If you can't come up with one, I'd like you to admit you were wrong here as I don't believe I am part of the problem that I agree some people have of accusing others they disagree with of being racist.



Why are you bringing up the term racist? We've already acknowledged that Trump is racist. The issue here is "White Supremacy". If you are going to stick with the "bit", try and keep up.

I've asked you several times and you have yet to tell me the difference. Try *to* keep up

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I think our generation (you, me, FF, RPB, etc.) uses the terms way too much with people we disagree with. That's all I'm saying.

I know you included yourself in this but cards on the table time. Tell me one person I unfairly accused of being racist. If you can't come up with one, I'd like you to admit you were wrong here as I don't believe I am part of the problem that I agree some people have of accusing others they disagree with of being racist.


The cop who strangled the kid on his lawn.

Fair enough. I will defend my assertion that a middle aged white guy would not try to choke out a white boy for coming onto his lawn when his friend was already beat to hell from a fight. I'm fine with my assertion there and will keep defending it. Anything else?

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Well, for decades up to now white supremacist meant white hoods and burning crosses and Bricks through windows. I think that's where some people are getting confused. the definition changed but not everyone got the memo.

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I think our generation (you, me, FF, RPB, etc.) uses the terms way too much with people we disagree with. That's all I'm saying.

I know you included yourself in this but cards on the table time. Tell me one person I unfairly accused of being racist. If you can't come up with one, I'd like you to admit you were wrong here as I don't believe I am part of the problem that I agree some people have of accusing others they disagree with of being racist.


The cop who strangled the kid on his lawn.

Fair enough. I will defend my assertion that a middle aged white guy would not try to choke out a white boy for coming onto his lawn when his friend was already beat to hell from a fight. I'm fine with my assertion there and will keep defending it. Anything else?


Really? You think that's enough evidence to call someone racist? The fact that you think he probably wouldn't have done that to a white kid? You have absolutely nothing to base that on. Admit I just checked you and buy me a drink next time we meet up.

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i would argue he's probably treated as many white people in the same way he's treated jews, asians, blacks, arabs, on and on and on. we are cherry picking incidents that just happen to include POC. many of these incidents occured for other reasons as well, not just because of the "race" tick box.



Right. And, I've already said("my opinion") that he's racist, he sucks, prick..shouldn't be POTUS, etc, etc...but that isn't enough I guess.

Look I get this is all a "bit" from FF and RPB. Especially FF(it puts him at full tilt) but these last 3-4 pages weren't necessary. They really were not.

You are nuts. You posted that your white grandparents think white people are superior, but they arent white supremacists.


So basically, I have to reevaluate my dead grandparents to see if they were indeed "white supremacists". Should i then alter my memories/opinion of them? This is straight up SJW/DiCaro shit man...do you realize how fucking stupid you sound?

I sound stupid?

you are literally saying "thinking white people are superior, doesnt make you a white supremacist"

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And it doesn't. I'm sure there are black people that think their race is superior. I don't consider them "black supremacists" (is that a term?).


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