No, they haven't. I suppose if we want to carry this comparison through we would need the U.S. to be defeated as a nation state by foreign powers and then have the Natives return to their ancestral lands. I guess the closest that would have happened in U.S. History would have been during WWI when Germany offered to help Mexico gain back territory lost to the U.S. if Mexico allied with Germany.

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You don't know as much about the subject as you think you do. The idea of a "Palestinian" as we understand it now didn't even exist at the time Palestine was partitioned.

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Good argument. Enjoy the long quotes.

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Seriously, I don't get why people can't just start their response with the poster's name they are talking to instead of these long ass quotes. It's as fucking obnoxious as having an Israel/Palestine debtate.

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It's so people who are actually interested can follow the discussion. But I understand that some people just prefer to post idiotic GIFs.

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I like the discussion and Im following it but I gotta say, it makes me less likely to keep reading when it's that repetitive.

LTG's post has been quoted Nine times, since he posted.

Nine times

No matter how you or anyone chooses to portray it a nation state was created on land inhabited by another group of people.

I highly doubt anyone reads anything but the last post or two within those orgies of old man banter.

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Give those who follow these threads a little more credit at keeping up with the discussion JoRR.

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It's pretty common for people to only read the last page of a thread though. I mean, some times you say something like "I would be concerned trading Chris Sale for Kyle Schwarber because of his injury and how it may effect his power" and it gets turned into "KYLE SCHWARBER HAS NO POWER!".

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He showed he was a singles hitter in the World Series.


Anyway, the Jews and Pals should work it out. Everybody is just tired of that thing.

Wanting Israel to exist on Christian land makes you an antisemite?

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Yes, apparently.

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What is Christian land? Why do Jews have no claim to any land in the Middle East?

Would you get rid of Israel as it exists today? Where would you move it?

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Skokie

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Mississippi, the Carolinas, Alabama, Indiana, Kansas? And extend them dual citizenship

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The United States? I'm just trying to get confirmation on if that makes them antisemitic. Does it?

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Regardless of what they were called they were still the group that resided within the country. Zionism as a guiding philosophy behind Israel's creation is far more contrived than the term Palestine and yet that never seems to bother you. While we are at it we are arguing for the necessity of creating a country based on the religious beliefs of a select group. That doesn't bother you as an atheist?

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Britain also extended the same offer to Indian tribes during the War of 1812

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It isn't that had to leave either. Judaism at its core is a religion. People have to subscribe to it. They aren't born into it. The vast majority of Jewish people in the world have no connection to Israel. It was that way in 1948 also. They aren't an ethnic group and thus there isn't any such thing as an "ancient homeland".

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12!

This is the dumbest fucking thing I read all day.

Common language: Check
Common history: Check
Common culture: Check
Common genetics: Check (don't believe me, look no further that various diseases Jews are more prone to due to a shared genetics)

How is that not an ethnic group?

While we are on the subject of ethnic groups. What makes the Palestinians a distinctive ethnic group different from the other Arabs in the levant?

Also, Judaism is a lot more than a religion. You can be an atheist/agnostic and still be Jewish. You can't be an atheist and still be a Catholic.

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LTG is just showing off.

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The point is the term "Palestinian" as it is currently used is nothing more than a political cudgel with which to beat Israel. The reason that is the preferred term rather than the correct "Arab" is simply because that would lessen the case for the elimination of Israel. The fact that the "world community" gives political heft to the idea of a country that never actually existed says more about the world's contempt for Jews than anything else. After all there are 22 or 23 Arab countries that have pushed out Jews or at a minimum made them second class citizens.

Which leads into the second part of your post. Yeah, in an ideal world I don't think nations should be formed around religions. But we live in an actual world, one in which Jews have been hounded out of every land they have ever called home. If you're asking me whether I believe God deeded land to Jews, I think my answer to that would be obvious, but we're way beyond that now with regard to a tiny slice of land in the Middle East that was nothing but desert and not important to anyone until Jews formed a nation there, and not by throwing anyone out either.

Pakistan was formed on the same principle, albeit in that case that a Muslim minority would be persecuted by the Hindi majority. But the "world community" isn't obsessing over the refugees caused by that partition, are they? Why is that? What is the difference? Isn't it obvious?

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It's certainly anti-semetic to think Israel doesn't have a right to exist where it does, or in the Middle East, and then not even say where you think we should move Israel.

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Ok so you say all of this to say that a "real world" is a world where it is ok for Jewish people to settle on land in which they were overwhelmingly the minority and establish a nation state. I could much more find bias in your views towards Arabs/Muslims than you'd ever be able to find in mine towards Jews.

Also as I previously stated the greatest amount of historical persecution of Jewish people has occurred in countries located throughout Europe. Martin Luther wasn't an Arab and neither was Hitler. The Pogroms were also carried out in European countries.

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Wanting to ethnically cleanse the Jews from a land they have lived for 3000 years would make someone an antisemite and yes there has been an un-interrupted Jewish presence in Jerusalem, Tzfat, Hebron, Tiverya, and Beersheva (with the exception of the 60 year Babylonian exile 2500 years ago)

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They don't have a connection to it because many were forced to flee! My grandparents had to leave their homeland too or face being shipped to Siberia or worse. I guess the Russians should be the only ones to a claim anywhere there!

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