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You're a rational man, CH. I know you are. And I see where you're coming from, and I understand the emotion behind wanting to fuck this guy up. I can be very emotional, and I was even more emotional when I was younger. There was a time when I really would have taken a bat to someone claiming to be a Nazi.

But it just can't happen in a civilized society. Win in the arena of ideas. Ignore the grotesque ones and celebrate the inclusive ones.

The minute someone beats the shit out of a Nazi, Nazis become more sympathetic. They gain followers.

The minute people fight assholes with violence, the assholes become legitimate. Be above them. It took me a long time to realize this, but I really believe it



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You're a rational man, CH. I know you are. And I see where you're coming from, and I understand the emotion behind wanting to fuck this guy up. I can be very emotional, and I was even more emotional when I was younger. There was a time when I really would have taken a bat to someone claiming to be a Nazi.

But it just can't happen in a civilized society. Win in the arena of ideas. Ignore the grotesque ones and celebrate the inclusive ones.

The minute someone beats the shit out of a Nazi, Nazis become more sympathetic. They gain followers.

The minute people fight assholes with violence, the assholes become legitimate. Be above them. It took me a long time to realize this, but I really believe it



Counterpoint: Germany


Counterpoint: free speech doesn't include gas chambers.

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guys, you're being way too technical about this. There's something in society called the "nazi exemption" which means that if you try to commit genocide and almost pull it off along the way killing tens of millions of people you no longer get to enjoy the same rights, privileges and laws that human beings are entitled to. Or you can call it the "nazi exception" as in, you can't go around punching people just cause you don't like them...except nazis, duh.

I believe we have the right, no duty, to beat the living shit out of any nazi you run into. I'm not even opposed to raising that bar from ass whupping to death.

Some of the people in this thread remind me of this thread i read a few years ago on gamefaqs where some guy was saying the video game industry was racist against nazi's because of how often they are used as villains in games.

In the immortal words of Allen Iverson, "we're talking about nazi's here, nazi's!"

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guys, you're being way too technical about this. There's something in society called the "nazi exemption" which means that if you try to commit genocide and almost pull it off along the way killing tens of millions of people you no longer get to enjoy the same rights, privileges and laws that human beings are entitled to. Or you can call it the "nazi exception" as in, you can't go around punching people just cause you don't like them...except nazis, duh.

I believe we have the right, no duty, to beat the living shit out of any nazi you run into. I'm not even opposed to raising that bar from ass whupping to death.

Some of the people in this thread remind me of this thread i read a few years ago on gamefaqs where some guy was saying the video game industry was racist against nazi's because of how often they are used as villains in games.

In the immortal words of Allen Iverson, "we're talking about nazi's here, nazi's!"

doesn't the first amendment have strong enough exceptions already?

i've also heard many non-nazis called nazis by pretty smart people. is ann coulter a nazi?


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As someone of both Polish and Jewish heritage (I suppose I'm all-purpose Central European), it's hard to see out-and-proud Nazis and not want to split their shitty heads wide open. Imagine how amazing it would feel to take a baseball bat to their skulls and just ruin them! I'm sure plenty of people feel this way no matter where their family trees lie, and I know we can't let society devolve into everyone assaulting one another for whatever reason. But arguably the single just war our country engaged in outside the Civil War was to take out genocidal fascists wearing swastikas. How much protection do we owe their imitators? If announcing your allegiance with white supremacy and the mass murder to ensure it isn't an incitement to violence, nothing is.

Yeah communism is just as bad. Actually worse if you want to get into the death tolls and misery. The Nazi's at least liked each other and (most) of their neighbors, communsim just has an outright contempt for all human life. So I'd be careful lionizing Antifa's, the American Neo-Nazi movement is kind of a joke (recent media hysteria changes nothing)... communists aren't. And violent communists, which Antifa is becoming with a lot of inexplicable encouragement from the neoliberals, are particularly dangerous.


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As someone of both Polish and Jewish heritage (I suppose I'm all-purpose Central European), it's hard to see out-and-proud Nazis and not want to split their shitty heads wide open. Imagine how amazing it would feel to take a baseball bat to their skulls and just ruin them! I'm sure plenty of people feel this way no matter where their family trees lie, and I know we can't let society devolve into everyone assaulting one another for whatever reason. But arguably the single just war our country engaged in outside the Civil War was to take out genocidal fascists wearing swastikas. How much protection do we owe their imitators? If announcing your allegiance with white supremacy and the mass murder to ensure it isn't an incitement to violence, nothing is.

Yeah communism is just as bad. Actually worse if you want to get into the death tolls and misery. The Nazi's at least liked each other and (most) of their neighbors, communsim just has an outright contempt for all human life. So I'd be careful lionizing Antifa's, the American Neo-Nazi movement is kind of a joke (recent media hysteria changes nothing)... communists aren't. And violent communists, which Antifa is becoming with a lot of inexplicable encouragement from the neoliberals, are particularly dangerous.


Nazis are just like that neighbor from Home Alone. Scary on the outside, with a creamy well-meaning center.

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 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
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I don't think the neighbor from Home Alone genocide a few million people and directly contributed to the near total destruction of the European continent.


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I do think the LARPers in the DSA need to cool it off with their Mao/Stalin love, but don't tell them that, and don't you dare say that Israel has a right to exist. The far left has some real problems of its own but they haven't become as much of a problem as the far right (and probably won't, because they don't have the muscle of the militia movement behind them, they're just bratty 24-year-olds).

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I don't think the neighbor from Home Alone genocide a few million people and directly contributed to the near total destruction of the European continent.


I didnt say the Home Alone guy was a Nazi. I said the Nazis are like the guy from Home Alone. Try to keep up.

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I don't think the neighbor from Home Alone genocide a few million people and directly contributed to the near total destruction of the European continent.


I didnt say the Home Alone guy was a Nazi. I said the Nazis are like the guy from Home Alone. Try to keep up.

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Nazis are just like that neighbor from Home Alone. Scary on the outside, with a creamy well-meaning center.

Looks like this Nazi is gonna be like Fulton from Home Alone and piss his pants.

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I would hope most would agree we can't just go around knocking out people whose views we don't like.

Yeah, but there are views and there are views, right? If you believe the Bears should start Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky against Pittsburgh, we can agree or disagree, but no one should punch you in the face for it. If you wear a swastika on your arm and call people apes, well, talk shit, get hit.


As little as a year or two ago, I think I would have agreed with you, CH. I wouldn't now. I mean, I understand the sentiment, sure, but I disagree that it should be legal.

You don't think Nazi paraphernalia is an incitement to violence? I think it is now more than it was a year ago.

Yes, and The Jews should rightfully be pissed. . . not you poser candy-asses!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's how we lost the Fucking Chief - by assholes trying to capitalize on their guess as to others' feelings.

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Make it a law not to be a Nazi. It should be really easy not to break. I fail to break it every day.


A law in the land of free speech not to hold or make certain speech based on its content? Yeah, that's evolved. :roll:

Is listening to shitlib-hating podcasts some cathartic penance you force on yourself? Because your points on this matter are rather shitlib-ist.


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I would hope most would agree we can't just go around knocking out people whose views we don't like.

Yeah, but there are views and there are views, right? If you believe the Bears should start Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky against Pittsburgh, we can agree or disagree, but no one should punch you in the face for it. If you wear a swastika on your arm and call people apes, well, talk shit, get hit.


As little as a year or two ago, I think I would have agreed with you, CH. I wouldn't now. I mean, I understand the sentiment, sure, but I disagree that it should be legal.

You don't think Nazi paraphernalia is an incitement to violence? I think it is now more than it was a year ago.

Yes, and The Jews should rightfully be pissed. . . not you poser candy-asses!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's how we lost the Fucking Chief - by assholes trying to capitalize on their guess as to others' feelings.

Pro Tip: Mind your own fucking field before you plow your neighbor's.


You know, you might occasionally make a point most would agree with if you didn't do it in the form of a fucking idiot who is just craving attention.

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Make it a law not to be a Nazi. It should be really easy not to break. I fail to break it every day.


A law in the land of free speech not to hold or make certain speech based on its content? Yeah, that's evolved. :roll:

Is listening to shitlib-hating podcasts some cathartic penance you force on yourself? Because your points on this matter are rather shitlib-ist.


Triggered Nazi sympathizer is triggered. :lol:


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My main hobby is wargaming. Basically playing with little toy soldiers. I try to avoid being the bad guys when I play,ie WW2 Germans and so forth. But with the way things are going is there going to be protests and INFANTA jags showing up at our conventions and stores?

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Curious Hair wrote:
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I would hope most would agree we can't just go around knocking out people whose views we don't like.

Yeah, but there are views and there are views, right? If you believe the Bears should start Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky against Pittsburgh, we can agree or disagree, but no one should punch you in the face for it. If you wear a swastika on your arm and call people apes, well, talk shit, get hit.

Disagree. Violence should be the last resort and pretty much only for self defense.


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leashyourkids wrote:
You're a rational man, CH. I know you are. And I see where you're coming from, and I understand the emotion behind wanting to fuck this guy up. I can be very emotional, and I was even more emotional when I was younger. There was a time when I really would have taken a bat to someone claiming to be a Nazi.

But it just can't happen in a civilized society. Win in the arena of ideas. Ignore the grotesque ones and celebrate the inclusive ones.

The minute someone beats the shit out of a Nazi, Nazis become more sympathetic. They gain followers.

The minute people fight assholes with violence, the assholes become legitimate. Be above them. It took me a long time to realize this, but I really believe it



Counterpoint: Germany


They won democratic elections against legitimate party opponents in the beginning.

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As someone of both Polish and Jewish heritage (I suppose I'm all-purpose Central European), it's hard to see out-and-proud Nazis and not want to split their shitty heads wide open. Imagine how amazing it would feel to take a baseball bat to their skulls and just ruin them! I'm sure plenty of people feel this way no matter where their family trees lie, and I know we can't let society devolve into everyone assaulting one another for whatever reason. But arguably the single just war our country engaged in outside the Civil War was to take out genocidal fascists wearing swastikas. How much protection do we owe their imitators? If announcing your allegiance with white supremacy and the mass murder to ensure it isn't an incitement to violence, nothing is.

Yeah communism is just as bad. Actually worse if you want to get into the death tolls and misery. The Nazi's at least liked each other and (most) of their neighbors, communsim just has an outright contempt for all human life. So I'd be careful lionizing Antifa's, the American Neo-Nazi movement is kind of a joke (recent media hysteria changes nothing)... communists aren't. And violent communists, which Antifa is becoming with a lot of inexplicable encouragement from the neoliberals, are particularly dangerous.


Communists should be equally blood boiling to any Pole and/or Jew as Nazis.

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America wrote:
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As someone of both Polish and Jewish heritage (I suppose I'm all-purpose Central European), it's hard to see out-and-proud Nazis and not want to split their shitty heads wide open. Imagine how amazing it would feel to take a baseball bat to their skulls and just ruin them! I'm sure plenty of people feel this way no matter where their family trees lie, and I know we can't let society devolve into everyone assaulting one another for whatever reason. But arguably the single just war our country engaged in outside the Civil War was to take out genocidal fascists wearing swastikas. How much protection do we owe their imitators? If announcing your allegiance with white supremacy and the mass murder to ensure it isn't an incitement to violence, nothing is.

Yeah communism is just as bad. Actually worse if you want to get into the death tolls and misery. The Nazi's at least liked each other and (most) of their neighbors, communsim just has an outright contempt for all human life. So I'd be careful lionizing Antifa's, the American Neo-Nazi movement is kind of a joke (recent media hysteria changes nothing)... communists aren't. And violent communists, which Antifa is becoming with a lot of inexplicable encouragement from the neoliberals, are particularly dangerous.


Communists should be equally blood boiling to any Pole and/or Jew as Nazis.
Most of my relatives were killed or jailed by the Communists. My grandparents had to flee because they had the crime of "owning a business".

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There are a lot of shitty Americans on this board.

Don't kid yourselves that you actually believe in things when you turn on those beliefs at the slightest of tests.

I hold these truths to be self evident...except, except, except!

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KDdidit wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
You're a rational man, CH. I know you are. And I see where you're coming from, and I understand the emotion behind wanting to fuck this guy up. I can be very emotional, and I was even more emotional when I was younger. There was a time when I really would have taken a bat to someone claiming to be a Nazi.

But it just can't happen in a civilized society. Win in the arena of ideas. Ignore the grotesque ones and celebrate the inclusive ones.

The minute someone beats the shit out of a Nazi, Nazis become more sympathetic. They gain followers.

The minute people fight assholes with violence, the assholes become legitimate. Be above them. It took me a long time to realize this, but I really believe it



Counterpoint: Germany


They won democratic elections against legitimate party opponents in the beginning.


Because not enough people were punching them in the streets.


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Lawyers and soldiers, two classes of people who took oaths to uphold the constitution, are our chief advocates for disregarding it.

Oh, but it is the guy wearing an armband that is scary.

We laughed at Bernstein on election night when he tweeted his sons fear his safety.

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Lawyers and soldiers, two classes of people who took oaths to uphold the constitution, are our chief advocates for disregarding it.

Oh, but it is the guy wearing an armband that is scary.

We laughed at Bernstein on election night when he tweeted his sons fear his safety.


As usual, dolphin right on the money.

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shakes wrote:
guys, you're being way too technical about this. There's something in society called the "nazi exemption" which means that if you try to commit genocide and almost pull it off along the way killing tens of millions of people you no longer get to enjoy the same rights, privileges and laws that human beings are entitled to. Or you can call it the "nazi exception" as in, you can't go around punching people just cause you don't like them...except nazis, duh.

I believe we have the right, no duty, to beat the living shit out of any nazi you run into. I'm not even opposed to raising that bar from ass whupping to death.

Some of the people in this thread remind me of this thread i read a few years ago on gamefaqs where some guy was saying the video game industry was racist against nazi's because of how often they are used as villains in games.

In the immortal words of Allen Iverson, "we're talking about nazi's here, nazi's!"


I agree. I'll pick you up this weekend and you can go torch the Bosnian-Herzogovian community center on Argyle.

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what these Nazi punchers need is some organization and professionalism. a real dynamic leader with a lot of anger issues. Shakes? And then they can get uniforms. something nice and classy. I'm thinking maybe brown button up shirts designed by Hugo Boss. None of this cheap shit. so people realize they have real discipline and brotherhood. then they can meet up in groups and head out into the hinterlands and scare all those Nazis into submission! Hell they could become organizers for the Democratic party. make sure the right people get to the election booths.

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You're a rational man, CH. I know you are. And I see where you're coming from, and I understand the emotion behind wanting to fuck this guy up. I can be very emotional, and I was even more emotional when I was younger. There was a time when I really would have taken a bat to someone claiming to be a Nazi.

But it just can't happen in a civilized society. Win in the arena of ideas. Ignore the grotesque ones and celebrate the inclusive ones.

The minute someone beats the shit out of a Nazi, Nazis become more sympathetic. They gain followers.

The minute people fight assholes with violence, the assholes become legitimate. Be above them. It took me a long time to realize this, but I really believe it



Counterpoint: Germany


They won democratic elections against legitimate party opponents in the beginning.


Because not enough people were punching them in the streets.



Seriously, what do you think is a bigger threat today, Nazis or the elimination of free speech by tbe Left? By your rationale we should be on campuses punching administrators in their faces.

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Seriously, it's not the elimination of free speech by the left.


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