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I would hope most would agree we can't just go around knocking out people whose views we don't like.

Yeah, but there are views and there are views, right? If you believe the Bears should start Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky against Pittsburgh, we can agree or disagree, but no one should punch you in the face for it. If you wear a swastika on your arm and call people apes, well, talk shit, get hit.


As little as a year or two ago, I think I would have agreed with you, CH. I wouldn't now. I mean, I understand the sentiment, sure, but I disagree that it should be legal.

You don't think Nazi paraphernalia is an incitement to violence? I think it is now more than it was a year ago.

Yes, and The Jews should rightfully be pissed. . . not you poser candy-asses!

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That's how we lost the Fucking Chief - by assholes trying to capitalize on their guess as to others' feelings.

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You know, you might occasionally make a point most would agree with if you didn't do it in the form of a fucking idiot who is just craving attention.

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Seriously, it's not the elimination of free speech by the left.


It's certainly not your fever dream of the rise of a Fourth Reich in Seattle.

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Neither is close to happening. Nazis are not rising and the left will not eradicate free speech.


Im about to get kicked off the liberal team for not advocating punching nazis, though.


Let ignorance expose itself. Debate and verbally destroy. Dont punch like a fucking caveman.


Also, I gotta say as disgusted as I am by Nazis, I feel the same way about hateful bigoted people. I dont punch them either. That's just not how this shit works.


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Neither is close to happening. Nazis are not rising and the left will not eradicate free speech.


Im about to get kicked off the liberal team for not advocating punching nazis, though.


Let ignorance expose itself. Debate and verbally destroy. Dont punch like a fucking caveman.


Also, I gotta say as disgusted as I am by Nazis, I feel the same way about hateful bigoted people. I dont punch them either. That's just not how this shit works.



What really is left to say after that? Pretty much learned this in kindergarten.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Neither is close to happening. Nazis are not rising and the left will not eradicate free speech.


Im about to get kicked off the liberal team for not advocating punching nazis, though.


Let ignorance expose itself. Debate and verbally destroy. Dont punch like a fucking caveman.


Also, I gotta say as disgusted as I am by Nazis, I feel the same way about hateful bigoted people. I dont punch them either. That's just not how this shit works.



I think you're mistaken about free speech. It's under seige. Over half of college students think "hate speech" (whatever that is) should not be protected. We don't need a First Amendment to protect a guy giving away free puppies.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Neither is close to happening. Nazis are not rising and the left will not eradicate free speech.


Im about to get kicked off the liberal team for not advocating punching nazis, though.


Let ignorance expose itself. Debate and verbally destroy. Dont punch like a fucking caveman.


Also, I gotta say as disgusted as I am by Nazis, I feel the same way about hateful bigoted people. I dont punch them either. That's just not how this shit works.



I think you're mistaken about free speech. It's under seige. Over half of college students think "hate speech" (whatever that is) should not be protected. We don't need a First Amendment to protect a guy giving away free puppies.

I understand there are problematic things happening in that regard on college campuses. I think that sort of non sense will burn out and free speech will win out.

Same with the Nazis.


These people who dont want to allow speeches that hurt their feelings and the Nazis who show up to fight them are on the fringe.


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THEY'RE COMING FOR MY SPEECH!

The First amendment isn't going anywhere. This is just a way to deflect so we don't have to address all the hate and bigotry that's spreading like a wildfire.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Neither is close to happening. Nazis are not rising and the left will not eradicate free speech.


Im about to get kicked off the liberal team for not advocating punching nazis, though.


Let ignorance expose itself. Debate and verbally destroy. Dont punch like a fucking caveman.


Also, I gotta say as disgusted as I am by Nazis, I feel the same way about hateful bigoted people. I dont punch them either. That's just not how this shit works.



I think you're mistaken about free speech. It's under seige. Over half of college students think "hate speech" (whatever that is) should not be protected. We don't need a First Amendment to protect a guy giving away free puppies.

I understand there are problematic things happening in that regard on college campuses. I think that sort of non sense will burn out and free speech will win out.

Same with the Nazis.


These people who dont want to allow speeches that hurt their feelings and the Nazis who show up to fight them are on the fringe.



I don't know about that. The situation now or the birth of PC speech prior is all part of an evolution. The people in power now in government, money and colleges are products of the 60's. Peace, love, burning bras and all of that has influenced the following generations that will come to power next. This will continue onward in my opinion until some force pushes back. What that will be or when I have no idea. Current university matters like this will not burn themselves out.

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THEY'RE COMING FOR MY SPEECH!

The First amendment isn't going anywhere. This is just a way to deflect so we don't have to address all the hate and bigotry that's spreading like a wildfire.

The college safe space thing is a legitimate issue.


To not allow speakers you disagree with is pretty much the opposite of what going to college is supposed to be about.


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THEY'RE COMING FOR MY SPEECH!

The First amendment isn't going anywhere. This is just a way to deflect so we don't have to address all the hate and bigotry that's spreading like a wildfire.



Do you really think hate and bigotry in speech or otherwise is really worse than 1965? 1975? 1985? Or are we just seeing it more in the open as if the lights were turned on and the cockroaches are scattering? I can't speak for you as I am not a minority but I assume seen and out in the open is better.

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Current university matters like this will not burn themselves out.

Yes, they will. There is already a huge backlash against these types.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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THEY'RE COMING FOR MY SPEECH!

The First amendment isn't going anywhere. This is just a way to deflect so we don't have to address all the hate and bigotry that's spreading like a wildfire.

The college safe space thing is a legitimate issue.


To not allow speakers you disagree with is pretty much the opposite of what going to college is supposed to be about.


It isn't a threat to free speech anymore than a background check is a threat to the 2nd amendment.

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Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
THEY'RE COMING FOR MY SPEECH!

The First amendment isn't going anywhere. This is just a way to deflect so we don't have to address all the hate and bigotry that's spreading like a wildfire.

The college safe space thing is a legitimate issue.


To not allow speakers you disagree with is pretty much the opposite of what going to college is supposed to be about.


It isn't a threat to free speech anymore than a background check is a threat to the 2nd amendment.


The college question is a different argument than free speech. The two get confused. College campus SHOULD be a forum for edgy discussion but they don't have to be. Banning speakers only becomes a free speech issue when a person has been invited to speak by an authorized campus agent and then is denied access by another group. There is no right to enter the campus uninvited.

I do have a right to stand up on a soap box and say my peace in the town square without threat.

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Sept. 18, 2017 6:46 p.m. ET

To the list of forbidden ideas on American college campuses, add “bourgeois norms”—hard work, self-discipline, marriage and respect for authority. Last month, two law professors published an op-ed in the Philadelphia Inquirer calling for a revival of the “cultural script” that prevailed in the 1950s and still does among affluent Americans: “Get married before you have children and strive to stay married for their sake. Get the education you need for gainful employment, work hard, and avoid idleness. . . . Eschew substance abuse and crime.” The weakening of these traditional norms has contributed to today’s low rates of workforce participation, lagging educational levels and widespread opioid abuse, the professors argued.

The op-ed triggered an immediate uproar at the University of Pennsylvania, where one of its authors, Amy Wax, teaches. The dean of the Penn law school, Ted Ruger, published an op-ed in the student newspaper noting the “contemporaneous occurrence” of the op-ed and a white-supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., and suggesting that Ms. Wax’s views were “divisive, even noxious.” Half of Ms. Wax’s law-faculty colleagues signed an open letter denouncing her piece and calling on students to report any “bias or stereotype” they encounter “at Penn Law ” (e.g., in Ms. Wax’s classroom). Student and alumni petitions poured forth accusing Ms. Wax of white supremacy, misogyny and homophobia and demanding that she be banned from teaching first-year law classes.

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good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
THEY'RE COMING FOR MY SPEECH!

The First amendment isn't going anywhere. This is just a way to deflect so we don't have to address all the hate and bigotry that's spreading like a wildfire.

The college safe space thing is a legitimate issue.


To not allow speakers you disagree with is pretty much the opposite of what going to college is supposed to be about.


It isn't a threat to free speech anymore than a background check is a threat to the 2nd amendment.


The college question is a different argument than free speech. The two get confused. Banning speakers only becomes a free speech issue when a person has been invited to speak by an authorized campus agent and then is denied access by another group. There is no right to enter the campus uninvited.

I do have a right to stand up on a soap box and say my peace in the town square without threat.


I don't disagree. Even if what you are saying is a bunch of ignorant crap.

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Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
THEY'RE COMING FOR MY SPEECH!

The First amendment isn't going anywhere. This is just a way to deflect so we don't have to address all the hate and bigotry that's spreading like a wildfire.

The college safe space thing is a legitimate issue.


To not allow speakers you disagree with is pretty much the opposite of what going to college is supposed to be about.


It isn't a threat to free speech anymore than a background check is a threat to the 2nd amendment.

What?

They are literally stopping speeches from happening by force and setting fires.


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good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
THEY'RE COMING FOR MY SPEECH!

The First amendment isn't going anywhere. This is just a way to deflect so we don't have to address all the hate and bigotry that's spreading like a wildfire.

The college safe space thing is a legitimate issue.


To not allow speakers you disagree with is pretty much the opposite of what going to college is supposed to be about.


It isn't a threat to free speech anymore than a background check is a threat to the 2nd amendment.


The college question is a different argument than free speech. The two get confused. College campus SHOULD be a forum for edgy discussion but they don't have to be. Banning speakers only becomes a free speech issue when a person has been invited to speak by an authorized campus agent and then is denied access by another group. There is no right to enter the campus uninvited.

I do have a right to stand up on a soap box and say my peace in the town square without threat.

Like Milo at Berkely

Ridiculous.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
THEY'RE COMING FOR MY SPEECH!

The First amendment isn't going anywhere. This is just a way to deflect so we don't have to address all the hate and bigotry that's spreading like a wildfire.

The college safe space thing is a legitimate issue.


To not allow speakers you disagree with is pretty much the opposite of what going to college is supposed to be about.


It isn't a threat to free speech anymore than a background check is a threat to the 2nd amendment.


The college question is a different argument than free speech. The two get confused. College campus SHOULD be a forum for edgy discussion but they don't have to be. Banning speakers only becomes a free speech issue when a person has been invited to speak by an authorized campus agent and then is denied access by another group. There is no right to enter the campus uninvited.

I do have a right to stand up on a soap box and say my peace in the town square without threat.

Like Milo at Berkely

Ridiculous.


Yep.

Only non-offensive speech has the protection of the first amendment in MANY eyes.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
THEY'RE COMING FOR MY SPEECH!

The First amendment isn't going anywhere. This is just a way to deflect so we don't have to address all the hate and bigotry that's spreading like a wildfire.

The college safe space thing is a legitimate issue.


To not allow speakers you disagree with is pretty much the opposite of what going to college is supposed to be about.


It isn't a threat to free speech anymore than a background check is a threat to the 2nd amendment.

What?

They are literally stopping speeches from happening by force and setting fires.


Dumb but not a threat to the first amendment.

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Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
THEY'RE COMING FOR MY SPEECH!

The First amendment isn't going anywhere. This is just a way to deflect so we don't have to address all the hate and bigotry that's spreading like a wildfire.

The college safe space thing is a legitimate issue.


To not allow speakers you disagree with is pretty much the opposite of what going to college is supposed to be about.


It isn't a threat to free speech anymore than a background check is a threat to the 2nd amendment.


No, officials at a government-sponsored university not allowing certain kinds of speech they disagree with is about as clear cut a 1A issue as you can find.

And yes, Nas, they are already looking to make a hate speech exception to the First by law, this asshole wants to start on college campuses:

https://anthonybrown.house.gov/media/in ... iversities

The notion of free speech in this country is unquestionably under attack.


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https://www.wsj.com/articles/higher-eds-latest-taboo-is-bourgeois-norms-1505774818


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Sept. 18, 2017 6:46 p.m. ET

To the list of forbidden ideas on American college campuses, add “bourgeois norms”—hard work, self-discipline, marriage and respect for authority. Last month, two law professors published an op-ed in the Philadelphia Inquirer calling for a revival of the “cultural script” that prevailed in the 1950s and still does among affluent Americans: “Get married before you have children and strive to stay married for their sake. Get the education you need for gainful employment, work hard, and avoid idleness. . . . Eschew substance abuse and crime.” The weakening of these traditional norms has contributed to today’s low rates of workforce participation, lagging educational levels and widespread opioid abuse, the professors argued.

The op-ed triggered an immediate uproar at the University of Pennsylvania, where one of its authors, Amy Wax, teaches. The dean of the Penn law school, Ted Ruger, published an op-ed in the student newspaper noting the “contemporaneous occurrence” of the op-ed and a white-supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., and suggesting that Ms. Wax’s views were “divisive, even noxious.” Half of Ms. Wax’s law-faculty colleagues signed an open letter denouncing her piece and calling on students to report any “bias or stereotype” they encounter “at Penn Law ” (e.g., in Ms. Wax’s classroom). Student and alumni petitions poured forth accusing Ms. Wax of white supremacy, misogyny and homophobia and demanding that she be banned from teaching first-year law classes.

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I understand there are problematic things happening in that regard on college campuses. I think that sort of non sense will burn out and free speech will win out.

Same with the Nazis.


These people who dont want to allow speeches that hurt their feelings and the Nazis who show up to fight them are on the fringe.


I don't think so. They are learning from a very young age in school that people's feelings (no matter how unreasonable) are more important than what is right or the truth or specifically their own individual wants/needs. They are teaching people to surpress their ideas and feelings if they are in opposition of others. It's all being labeled as mean or bullying. Instead of conflict management and resolution they are teaching avoidance and compliance. It's promoted as necessary for success of the student but really they never face or overcome any adversity so they are not equipt for it later. The side that has some sort of power or "perceived power" is also then cut down so everyone is "equal"


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Free speech is absolutely under assault. One need look no further than this thread for evidence.

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Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
THEY'RE COMING FOR MY SPEECH!

The First amendment isn't going anywhere. This is just a way to deflect so we don't have to address all the hate and bigotry that's spreading like a wildfire.

The college safe space thing is a legitimate issue.


To not allow speakers you disagree with is pretty much the opposite of what going to college is supposed to be about.


It isn't a threat to free speech anymore than a background check is a threat to the 2nd amendment.


No, officials at a government-sponsored university not allowing certain kinds of speech they disagree with is about as clear cut a 1A issue as you can find.

And yes, Nas, they are already looking to make a hate speech exception to the First by law, this asshole wants to start on college campuses:

https://anthonybrown.house.gov/media/in ... iversities

The notion of free speech in this country is unquestionably under attack.


Tell me how amending the constitution will work out? People want to do all kinds of crazy stuff.

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Free speech is absolutely under assault. One need look no further than this thread for evidence.


I should probably be deleting your posts and banning you.

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Free speech is absolutely under assault. One need look no further than this thread for evidence.


I should probably be deleting your posts and banning you.


Seacrest and JORR would save me.

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I honestly have to agree there are a bunch of hyper sensitive pussies on college campuses and twitter who don't understand what free speech is. On the flip side, if a Nazi arm band douche was attempting to provoke people by whatever means then there should be no issue with knocking him out.

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Free speech is absolutely under assault. One need look no further than this thread for evidence.


I should probably be deleting your posts and banning you.


Seacrest and JORR would save me.


Doubtful. :twisted:

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On the flip side, if a Nazi arm band douche was attempting to provoke people by whatever means then there should be no issue with knocking him out.


So he helped a Nazi achieve his objective. And this is anti-Nazi?

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Free speech is absolutely under assault. One need look no further than this thread for evidence.


leash is correct again.

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