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I honestly have to agree there are a bunch of hyper sensitive pussies on college campuses and twitter who don't understand what free speech is. On the flip side, if a Nazi arm band douche was attempting to provoke people by whatever means then there should be no issue with knocking him out.


If that guy threw a banana at someone he deserved to get put to sleep by that person. In general I think it's easier to ignore a guy that you know is trying to piss you off.

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Let's not forget the upper northwest, especially Washington, is ground zero for neo-nazi/white supremacist groups. Not much sympathy from my end.

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I understand there are problematic things happening in that regard on college campuses. I think that sort of non sense will burn out and free speech will win out.

Same with the Nazis.


These people who dont want to allow speeches that hurt their feelings and the Nazis who show up to fight them are on the fringe.


I don't think so. They are learning from a very young age in school that people's feelings (no matter how unreasonable) are more important than what is right or the truth or specifically their own individual wants/needs. They are teaching people to surpress their ideas and feelings if they are in opposition of others. It's all being labeled as mean or bullying. Instead of conflict management and resolution they are teaching avoidance and compliance. It's promoted as necessary for success of the student but really they never face or overcome any adversity so they are not equipt for it later. The side that has some sort of power or "perceived power" is also then cut down so everyone is "equal"

Some good points there but they will find out that how much feelings matter when they enter the real world and get a quick education.

I also don't think helping the less fortunate or making sure opportunities are for everyone is cutting anyone down. Im not sure if that's what you're referring to, but there is that sentiment among many. The people who look at Affirmative Action as an attack on white people.


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 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
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I honestly have to agree there are a bunch of hyper sensitive pussies on college campuses and twitter who don't understand what free speech is. On the flip side, if a Nazi arm band douche was attempting to provoke people by whatever means then there should be no issue with knocking him out.


If that guy threw a banana at someone he deserved to get put to sleep by that person. In general I think it's easier to ignore a guy that you know is trying to piss you off.

The guy who was hit with the banana was justified in punching the guy if he chose to do so. Other guy...not so much.


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Let's not forget the upper northwest, especially Washington, is ground zero for neo-nazi/white supremacist groups. Not much sympathy from my end.


It has absolutely nothing to do with sympathy. It has to do with the betterment of society.

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I honestly have to agree there are a bunch of hyper sensitive pussies on college campuses and twitter who don't understand what free speech is. On the flip side, if a Nazi arm band douche was attempting to provoke people by whatever means then there should be no issue with knocking him out.


If that guy threw a banana at someone he deserved to get put to sleep by that person. In general I think it's easier to ignore a guy that you know is trying to piss you off.



Fine, but not because he's a Nazi, because he threw the fucking banana.

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If somebody in a bar threw a banana at you and you broke his face you'd be sitting in jail figuring out how you're going to pay for this fucking mess you've gotten yourself into.

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I honestly have to agree there are a bunch of hyper sensitive pussies on college campuses and twitter who don't understand what free speech is. On the flip side, if a Nazi arm band douche was attempting to provoke people by whatever means then there should be no issue with knocking him out.


If that guy threw a banana at someone he deserved to get put to sleep by that person. In general I think it's easier to ignore a guy that you know is trying to piss you off.



Fine, but not because he's a Nazi, because he threw the fucking banana.

But mainly because he's a nazi who threw a banana.

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 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
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If somebody in a bar threw a banana at you and you broke his face you'd be sitting in jail figuring out how you're going to pay for this fucking mess you've gotten yourself into.

What?

I dont think so. Throwing something at a person is some kind of assault.



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If somebody in a bar threw a banana at you and you broke his face you'd be sitting in jail figuring out how you're going to pay for this fucking mess you've gotten yourself into.



Maybe so, but I wouldn't sympathize with the banana thrower. And I don't sympathize with the guy wearing the swastika armband either and I'm not going to lose any sleep over him getting punched, but it's not a good idea for society to support the concept that punching him is okay.

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If somebody in a bar threw a banana at you and you broke his face you'd be sitting in jail figuring out how you're going to pay for this fucking mess you've gotten yourself into.

Even if I was a black, and he was a nazi?

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It's the law, have some lawer explain it to you. because someone throws a banana at you you are not allowed to kill him. they talk about this in self-defense courses.

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When reading these threads I always find it odd that the most intolerant people are usually complaining about someone slighting or being mean to them. As is their quest for validation of their ideas and opinions that aren't usually factual in any way.

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It's the law, have some lawer explain it to you. because someone throws a banana at you you are not allowed to kill him. they talk about this in self-defense courses.

Kill or punch? I feel like we might be taking leaps here. I could be mistaken.

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I honestly have to agree there are a bunch of hyper sensitive pussies on college campuses and twitter who don't understand what free speech is. On the flip side, if a Nazi arm band douche was attempting to provoke people by whatever means then there should be no issue with knocking him out.

I have no issue with a Nazi being knocked out, but there should similarly be no issue that it's illegal and the guy who threw the punch should be arrested.

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Let's not forget the upper northwest, especially Washington, is ground zero for neo-nazi/white supremacist groups. Not much sympathy from my end.

I thought it was the South . Wish we could get the straight info on just where the epicenter of the burgeoning movement is once and for all.

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If somebody in a bar threw a banana at you and you broke his face you'd be sitting in jail figuring out how you're going to pay for this fucking mess you've gotten yourself into.


What? No you wouldn't. It's self-defense.

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Let's not forget the upper northwest, especially Washington, is ground zero for neo-nazi/white supremacist groups. Not much sympathy from my end.

I thought it was the South . Wish we could get the straight info on just where the epicenter of the burgeoning movement is once and for all.

Do you have access to google?

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If somebody in a bar threw a banana at you and you broke his face you'd be sitting in jail figuring out how you're going to pay for this fucking mess you've gotten yourself into.

What?

I dont think so. Throwing something at a person is some kind of assault.



If not, please give me the list of things Im allowed to throw at people because that would be fun.;


Joe Mixon was hit in the face by someone and he got arrested for his response.


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It's the law, have some lawer explain it to you. because someone throws a banana at you you are not allowed to kill him. they talk about this in self-defense courses.

Kill or punch? I feel like we might be taking leaps here. I could be mistaken.


Excessive Force in self defense. A punch to the face could very easily be classified as lethal force, especially if you could have just walked away instead.

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It's the law, have some lawer explain it to you. because someone throws a banana at you you are not allowed to kill him. they talk about this in self-defense courses.

Here's the throw a drink in your face and punch the guy example.


The throwing of the drink is a battery and could potentially count as an aggressive act in most states for determining who was the provoking party in deciding whether one party to the affray could be charged with aggravated battery.

In most states, however, a brawl of the nature described would likely be treated as “mutual combat”, and neither party would be charged with battery; rather, both would be charged with disturbing the peace, affray, or some other offense that essentially criminalizes having a brawl in public. Consent is a defense to battery, and in this context the initial throwing of the drink is viewed as an invitation to brawl and the returning assault as accepting the invitation, making the entire affray a consensual brawl and thus not inherently criminal. The combatants have no claim against one another, either criminally or civily; the offense here is getting into a brawl in a place where others are, or may be, disturbed or otherwise harmed by it.

You cannot plea self-defense as a defense to a charge based on a reaction to a completed offense. You can only use self-defense as a defense to a charge based on conduct you engaged in to prevent an impending threat to your person, or to interrupt a threat in progress. Once the drink has been thrown, the damage is done. You would only have a self-defense argument if you reasonably believed that additional things were going to be thrown, or that some other form of attack was imminent.




I think a Nazi throwing a banana can reasonably be expected to attack further.


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Hatchetman wrote:
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It's the law, have some lawer explain it to you. because someone throws a banana at you you are not allowed to kill him. they talk about this in self-defense courses.

Kill or punch? I feel like we might be taking leaps here. I could be mistaken.


Excessive Force in self defense. A punch to the face could very easily be classified as lethal force, especially if you could have just walked away instead.

I guess we'll see. I hope they aren't arrested if they were assaulted with a banana for being African American. Could be a hate crime, no?

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I think a Nazi throwing a banana can reasonably be expected to attack further.


Yes your honor. I feared for my life. He could have thrown a pineapple next. You never know.

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I guess we'll see. I hope they aren't arrested if they were assaulted with a banana for being African American. Could be a hate crime, no?


Seems possible but I'm not really worried about what happens to the Nazi. He's obviously an idiot. We don't need to play into his plan.

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What the hell are you people talking about? Some insane person wore a Swastika and threw a fucking banana. Now we're justifying murdering him?

Do you guys think you're gonna be okay after hearing the recollection of this horrific event?

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Some good points there but they will find out that how much feelings matter when they enter the real world and get a quick education.

I also don't think helping the less fortunate or making sure opportunities are for everyone is cutting anyone down. Im not sure if that's what you're referring to, but there is that sentiment among many. The people who look at Affirmative Action as an attack on white people.


Again I don't think so because this is the real world that people are now expecting to live in.

AA is not an attack on white people. I'm specifically talking about what goes on at schools at the elementary level. Helping the less fortunate are making sure opportunities are for everybody is not cutting anyone down. I would say not everyone is equal in talents, intelligence, charisma, etc and people will not end up in the same place though. That doesn't make anything unfair. We have a duty to take care of the ones that get left behind but we should not be finding automatic fault with the ones that are successful.

There was a girl at out school not to long ago that wanted to play kickball at lunch but the group (really the popular person) she wanted to hang out with wanted to play 4 square. The popular girl was called in to the office because bullying, reprimanded, and made to play what the other little girl wanted. Who's wrong there? The popular girl? Why? Because she is popular? She automatically has to do what the one that that's not as popular wants so it's "equal" so that girl can feel good about herself?


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I think a Nazi throwing a banana can reasonably be expected to attack further.


Yes your honor. I feared for my life. He could have thrown a pineapple next. You never know.

Are you kidding? That's not funny and it's not a joke. Its not just a random person throwing fruit.

A fucking Nazi throws a goddamn banana at a black or jewish guy and you dont think that guy has a reasonable fear of violence?

Yes, most sane Judges would go along with that.


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What the hell are you people talking about? Some insane person wore a Swastika and threw a fucking banana. Now we're justifying murdering him?

Do you guys think you're gonna be okay after hearing the recollection of this horrific event?

Jews/Palestinians/Murdering Nazis. I feel like the board is finally growing up. If only BigFan could see us now. Where will we go from here?

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What the hell are you people talking about? Some insane person wore a Swastika and threw a fucking banana. Now we're justifying murdering him?

Murder? No

Punching? Reasonable response from the guy who was hit with the banana.

The line is physicality. He can shout Heil, Hilter and death to Jews all he wants. The minute he throws something, it stops being about free "speech"


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Let's take it out of the realm where most can identify:

The Old Navy Preacher says some hateful stuff against homosexuals, right up to the point of saying they should die in this life. Would you protect someone punching him?

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