No you can't. I don't want to take away any land from Muslims. I just want them to stop blowing shit up. And no Jew has declared a Holy War against you, though you may be pushing Ogie and shakes to that point.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

We have gone over this before and you completely ignore my response here...

At the time of partition, the Jews were the majority population in the lands granted to them and the Arabs were the majority in the lands that they were to receive.

That's how fucking partition works. You grant statehood to each group that is a majority in the portions granted to them.

Furthermore, there were a million homeless Jews sitting in DP camps in Europe in 1947. It was known that they would not be able to go back to living in Europe after what they had experienced and thus would be moving to their new homeland.

Let's also not forget the 800,000 Jews living in Arab lands who were being persecuted by Arab nationalists and knowing they would be unwelcome in their lands and needing a place to go to.

I fully expect you will ignore this point as you always do. Go fuck yourself.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Exactly. If you wanted to kick all the Mexicans out of Mexico would it be anti-Mexican?

You can be unhappy with the creation of Israel without going to the extremes that ltg is. I guess ltg is one of those "From the river to the sea" protesters.

This is also why the leaders of Israel have a hard time believing any of the talk of diplomacy as you have a normal everyday American like ltg that will seemingly fight for the destruction of the current version of Israel no matter what.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I'm not deeply religious but you have no problem with Americans blowing shit up in Arab/Muslim countries. Another one of the interesting hypocrisies found here.

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Bumping because this has been fully ignored (as expected)

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

That isn't true either.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

This is utter bullshit. You can go fuck yourself also. I don't profess to be a guru on this stuff but I hate when people make up shit to justify bullshit. I'm not an Anti Semite just because i don't subscribe to this theory. The fact of the matter is that there were far more Arabs living on that land at the time and if statehood was to be granted to anyone it should be them. Spare me all of this shit regarding Anti Semitism and remember your hypocritical asshole the next time you or anyone of you other biased fucks try to make the case about me charging people with being racist for voting for Trump.

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What's that? You have no argument to make in the face of facts?

Once again, the land partitioned to the Jews was land that was either A: Majority Jewish or B: uninhabited (The Negev in particular). The land partioned to (and rejected by the Arabs) was land which was majority Arab. Those are facts, if you want, I can pull up the population tables for each area from the 40s.

You also once again ignored my point about the 800,000 Jews expelled from Arab countries who needed absorption. If Jews were assholes to their own as Arabs were in the 40s, they would've become refugees. Instead they were taken in and became citizens. Ditto for the 1 million Jewish refugees in Europe after the Holocaust who had nowhere to go. Add those refugees who were to be immediately absorbed and the Jews outnumber the Arabs in the land even more.

I get it, you're not an antisemite, you just want to ethnically cleanse the Jews. How un-antisemitic of you.

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Yes it is. You never make any reference to either the history of violence perpetrated by America against any of the Muslim countries. You are the king of selective outrage when it comes to this particular subject.

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Ok so when I post facts that run counter what will you do? Address or choose to make the point that Jewish people deserved the land because of persecution that occurred in other parts of the world. I'm sure it will be the latter. In 1945 the VAST majority of people on that land were Arabian. That is a known fact.

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You already admitted that you are comfortably with the land being taken away from Muslims. Who you crappin?

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Are you honestly dense? The land partitioned to the Jews was land where the Jews were the majority population. The land partitioned to the Arabs was the land where the Arabs were the majority population.

What part of this are you not comprehending? That is how partition works. It's exactly how it was done in India as well.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

What do you mean by "Muslim countries"? The very fact that something like that exists puts lie to a bunch of your thoughts about Islam being some kind of benign religion rather than a political force.

But I'm well aware of how British and American meddling created many of the geopolitical circumstances that exist today. But let's say we all accept the idea that our entire Anglo society is absolute evil and needs to be torn down. What does what comes next look like? Where do you fit in that world?

It seems to me that in all of the screaming for change on the political Left there is an unspoken caveat, that is something like, "except in so much as that change will affect the things I like." I don't think it would really work that way.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

LTG, I try to understand all your takes but this thing where you tell people what they think or say something about them going with "the ___ playbook" is way too high a percentage of your posts.

Just debate people at face value. No one wants to read your thoughts on what you THINK someone might REALLY think

Or at least I DONT.

I understand how partition works jerk and when I have a little more time I will pull up the information to demonstrate how foolish you and others consistently sound on this particular issue.

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YOu have no problem with them referring to me as an Anti Semite however. Aren't they essentially telling me what "I think"? I have never read a post from JORR that even remotely takes the side of any Arab or Muslim on any issue. Have you? If I can't infer something from that then the word inference needs to be retired.

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So let's dismantle the Jewish ethnostate. We'll replace it with...an Arab ethnostate! I'd love to see what kind of thriving cradle of human rights a bunch of Sunni assholes would come up with in Israel's stead.

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Fine. Now that we have solved that maybe we can solve some other labels. I want to be comfortable using them when describing people who post here. Others are free to add to this list. We can make this a group exercise.

What makes someone an Islamophobe?
What makes them a bigot?
What makes them sexist?
What makes them racist?
What makes them a homophobe?

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

"I know what you really think" is the death of healthy debate

I speak for MANY here when I ask that you read your sources before posting them.

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nah, it's more fun when he doesn't and accidentally posts something that proves my point.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

This debate started because they had no problem referring to me as an Anti Semite. There was no counterargument from anyone save myself yet when I refer to Jorr as an Islamophobe somehow I'm telling what he really thinks.

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Yeah there are a lot of fucking hypocrites who post here.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

I will fucking lock you up man! I have a god damn masters in this! - LTG

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Actually I have 2 but thanks for referencing. Unless you are the police (fucked up group to be let me tell you) don't think you will be locking anyone up.

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I think you are understating just what the desire for the complete removal of the state of Israel as a country actually means. This isn't them giving up on land that they "shouldn't have" but the complete removal of a state with it being handed over to a different religion because some of them were there after the Jews had been kicked out before.

As I asked before, if you wanted to remove all Mexicans from Mexico, would you be anti-Mexican? It's hard to argue that you wouldn't be. This is the same thing.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I don't think that understand what my original point was either. Can you show me where I advocated for the removal of Israel? Stating that Israel should not have been created on land where the vast majority of Palestinians resided isn't exactly the same as advocating for its removal. There is a distinction.

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Ogle keeps bringing up the 1947 partition. Fine. Let's go with that then. No one gets Jerusalem.

And if we want to go by current majorities, East Jerusalem is predominantly Arab / Muslim. If this is about assigning states to the majority ethnic group, let's do it.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Let's solve this going forward though so we can move on.

ltg,
Do you believe Israel as it exists today should exist in whole or in part along with some version of a state of Palestine on the same land that it currently resides on?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!