I think Robert Byrd's address was also on Pulaski.

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I don't doubt Atwater & Ailes crafted it. Bonzo's little buddy just grew into his role.

And yeah the klan was started in Tenn., but like with kudzu and roaches, you never could kill the Klan and goofs celebrated every rebirth of sorts in their finest traditions. Stone Mountain has its own southern heritage relief carved there.

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One time my mother asked me if Milwaukee Avenue ran all the way to Milwaukee and I kind of snottily told her, "Yeah, it was an old Indian trail. Why the hell do you think it's called that?" She replied, "Oh, does California run all the way to the West Coast? You asshole."

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You should have replied, "California runs north and south. How is that supposed to get to the Pacific!"

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That may have been her point.

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I could just as easily make the same case against Anti Semite. The duck count for relevant points is fast approaching a hundred. Something tells me it isn't because of the use of the term Islamophobe either.

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Sure won't take long for the usual suspects to come out of the woodwork to discredit this piece of evidence. Or completely ignore it.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... XntdipfaZQ

I don't agree with him on his reversal of Zionism but the point that he makes regarding the origins of the conflict are spot on. There is irrefutable evidence regarding the creation of Israel and the stupidity of thinking that Palestinians should simply accept it is one of the major things fueling the conflict.

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"Kick out all the immigrants even the ones who showed up legally" is certainly a Trumpet-like stance.

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Yep, you win, the establishment of Israel in 1948 and the 1967 Six Day War are the root cause of the violence...


oh wait

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

Go kiss my beautiful Jewish ass.

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So is bias against Muslims/Arabs

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Why can't he just be wrong? I don't think his views come from hate. He has a posting history that proves he isn't a guy that goes around spewing hate. We disagree a lot but there are no swords on his lips.
LTG has MANY views about blacks that MANY of the same people criticizing him now pat him on the back for. He doesn't hate blacks or Jewish people.

This doesn't apply to you but far too often I've seen people in this thread explode when certain labels were used to describe them or people who look like them or share views similar to them. Those same people are quick to use similar labels to describe others. They don't wait or do any of the other crap they suggest others do.

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GO BEARS!!!

I'll agree I don't think his views come from hatred. I think he is taking a fair point(Israel was very poorly handled when it was created) and taking it to a point where he advocates for the destruction and removal of all Jews in the area. I mean, I think it's fair to say that his view is anti-semetic just like it is fair to think that it was anti-Muslim to do Trump's travel ban and it's fairly obvious that ltg's thoughts on Israel are MUCH more extreme than stopping people from entering the United States.

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As usual you are full of shit. I could easily go back to the philosophy as a starting point. When you get past it all it was the Arabs that were dispossessed of land not Jews. You can continue to spin and take offense all the hell you want but that fact doesn't change. Also interesting is the way that it is acceptable that the land be carved up by Europeans also. Historical relevance you ask? You betcha. Reminds me (definitely not you) with all of your damn biases of how Africa was colonized during the 1800's. Europeans deciding winners and losers and the indigenous people not having much to say about it. When it is your own all of the so called objectivity goes out the damn window doesn't it?

As I said before anytime you damn hypocrites (Toxic) you listening? want to lock up feel free. I'm not going anywhere with this either.

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Well, we could just go back to how it was before Israel came along(and then afterwards as we see with Russia) and just let the borders and countries be decided how it always has been which is military and allies are how things are decided.

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Agree to disagree

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You keep discussing the removal of Jewish people as if they were the original inhabitants of the land and the way in which you condescendingly dismiss the Palestinian perspective "Creation of Israel was poorly handled" should be offensive to anyone of that particular heritage. Its creation is the driving force behind the conflict but the Arabs are supposed to take their ball and go home because pro Israeli forces tell them to? Get the hell out of here with that.

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Who was dispossessed of land in the 20s when the Arabs started dragging Jews onto the streets and killing them? The scenes in Hebron in 1929 were similar to what would be seen 9 years later on Kristalnacht.

You have shown time and time again to have absolutely no grasp on the conflict and run an argument that doesn't stand up when held against the facts of the situation.

There was no Jewish state in 1921 when the violence started, 1922 when the Mufti rose to power on the platform of killing Jews, 1929 when Hebron (where Jews lived for 3,000 years) was subject to a Pogrom, 1937 when Arabs rioted in Jerusalem against Jews, etc.

These are indisputable facts. The facts are Arabs will not live side-by-side with Jews, even if the Jews don't have a state. Their actions from 1920 onwards have proven this fact.

Your sources on the conflict conveniently leave out these historical events as if they never happened and also love to ignore the fact that Jews lived uninterrupted in the land for 3,200 years. A Jewish presence in the land predates the establishment of Islam by over 1700 years.

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Well, they pretty much should. The country did not exist and no one even cared about it existing until the Jews wanted to move in. In literally any other time in human history everyone would say "Yeah, that happened, and you have to deal with it". There is no other instance where the inhabitants of an area were given infinite control simply because they were there. That includes the huge numbers of Jews that were sent away numerous times in history.

So yeah, the "Palestinians" who lived there in very low numbers can deal with some immigration of Jews and work with them instead of against them. We'll have to redo every mile of the world if "I WAS HERE FIRST" is the new standard.

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LTG, I'm going to ask a basic question.

Arabs had sovereignty of Gaza, East Jerusalem, and the West Bank from 1949's armistice up until 1967. Where was the urge to declare a Palestinian state at that time? Just answer that for me. There was certainly nothing stopping them, no occupation or anything.

Also, while we are talking about unanswered questions, I still don't have my question answered on what makes a Palestinian Arab different than the other Arabs living on the levant in 1948.

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I'll keep the not hate just ignorant card for future reference.

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I have a quiz for LTG to take.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

You keep focusing on the area post 1948. I'm concerned about the land prior to the creation of Israel. Yeah they had sovereignty post 1948 in those areas but they were reluctant to establish a state because they didn't accept Israel as a state. If they'd established a Palestinian state then it further served to legitimize Israel as a state. I don't advocate for the destruction of Israel but I'm not Palestinian. You are asking them to accept the dispossession of land as a consequence for the worldly persecution of Jewish people. It is obvious that they are unwilling to do it and I think you are well aware as to why.

You also are asking them to accept decisions made by colonial masters too. Ironically decisions made by the same masters that were responsible for much of the worldwide persecution of Jewish people in the first place.


The concept and theory behind Zionism was centered on dispossessing Arabs of their land. That was outlined by Herzl in his manifesto

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Looks like Israel made and Palestine just missed the "All Countries Must Be Established by" date. Sorry, South Sudan. You're out!

But to answer question one, Israel was founded by both the United States and Britain. Both of those countries condemn the occupation. So shouldn't the U.S. and the U.K. have the power to sort the situation out?

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What you keep ignoring is that they didn't even organize as a country. If they wanted statehood at that time they literally could have done it. It only became an issue when the Jews started to return to an area they have a long recorded history in after being forced to leave.

Claiming that Jews have no rational basis for wanting to live in Jerusalem is a very difficult argument to make.

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800,000 Jews were dispossessed of land by Arabs post partition so don't even go down that road. You have no leg to stand on there.

Also, you once again ignore that Jews were the significant majority in the lands granted via partition. The Arabs within Israel were invited to stay with full rights (and a few hundred thousand did) if they accepted to live in peace with the Jews there. Of course many refused and fled to clear the way for the Arab armies, which proved to be inept against the Jews, who were largely without heavy weapons.

Once again, you barely hear about those 800,000 Jews evicted from Arab lands as Jews care for their own, unlike the Arabs who use the Palestinians as a cause. If they really want a state, they can have one in Jordan where the Palestinians are the majority population (funny you rarely hear that fact).

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It wasn't, it was founded by UN partition, the same way Pakistan was founded. Is Pakistan not a country?

Also, even to this date Palestine has never been established as a country, which is largely my point. How can Jews steal land from a country that doesn't even and never did exist?

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The same way that the United States did, and to this day, is still making reparations to the displaced peoples.

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As Ogie, we have recorded history of many Jews in the area hundreds of years prior to Islam even existing. Why did they lose their claim?

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