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I also think some forget the guy that punched him was also not the recipient of the dastardly banana throw nor was he black.

Nah, pretty sure that's been well covered and everyone remembers.

We then moved on to a hypothetical.


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Maybe all tribalism should be banned.

Jews should not be able to huddle at Temple, speaking in an ancient language that non-believers do not understand. Muslims should have the roofs on Mosques opened. Black Power, uh, I mean Black Lives Matter meetings should be conducted in open prairie settings, for all to enjoy - whoops, this already occurs in the middle of the street (check that). One should not be allowed to root for "Da Bears" unless they also root for "Da Pack" just as vehemently. All jelly bean flavors should be consumed at the same rate, leaving no color behind to give to your little sister to enjoy. One should be jailed if they go through a bag of Chex Mix and discard the pretzel pieces!


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Im all for good clean banana humor


I dont think throwing bananas at black people is funny. Guess I'm a bit of killjoy!

Graham Chapman was balck?

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I think it's pretty obvious we need a "You can punch Nazi's" amendment.

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Im all for good clean banana humor


I dont think throwing bananas at black people is funny. Guess I'm a bit of killjoy!

Graham Chapman was balck?


No but he was gay.

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The free exchange of ideas often seems to be under assault elsewhere, though. It may seem worse because people are so polarized. It could also be that shaming and informing are practices in our culture which wax and wane and are waxing (in contradictory quarters) now. In any case, violence is an awful short-cut.

But again, that goes back to my original point that we are all just sitting back and discussing this in an academic way. Which is fine, but you have to realize what's best in theory doesn't usually work out that way in reality. I don't disagree with you and leash and others about what the best response in theory is. Dolphin was flat out wrong for saying I was advocating disregarding the Constitution. It's simply a case of I don't feel bad for the guy and it's an expected response to the behavior he was exhibiting, even in a relatively "civil" society. Where is this utopian society where people don't occasionally get punched for acting like an obscene asshole?


So flat out wrong that several people independently arrived at the same conclusion about your words. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you twisted yourself around enough so that it could be read you were taking a position on both sides.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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Im all for good clean banana humor


I dont think throwing bananas at black people is funny. Guess I'm a bit of killjoy!

Graham Chapman was balck?

Not sure if that was in the link. Im referring back to the hypothetical of a black guy getting a banana thrown at him


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The free exchange of ideas often seems to be under assault elsewhere, though. It may seem worse because people are so polarized. It could also be that shaming and informing are practices in our culture which wax and wane and are waxing (in contradictory quarters) now. In any case, violence is an awful short-cut.

But again, that goes back to my original point that we are all just sitting back and discussing this in an academic way. Which is fine, but you have to realize what's best in theory doesn't usually work out that way in reality. I don't disagree with you and leash and others about what the best response in theory is. Dolphin was flat out wrong for saying I was advocating disregarding the Constitution. It's simply a case of I don't feel bad for the guy and it's an expected response to the behavior he was exhibiting, even in a relatively "civil" society. Where is this utopian society where people don't occasionally get punched for acting like an obscene asshole?


So flat out wrong that several people independently arrived at the same conclusion about your words. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you twisted yourself around enough so that it could be read you were taking a position on both sides.

No benefit of the doubt needed. Simply point out where I favored disregarding the constitution. Should be easy enough

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I would hope most would agree we can't just go around knocking out people whose views we don't like.

Yeah, but there are views and there are views, right? If you believe the Bears should start Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky against Pittsburgh, we can agree or disagree, but no one should punch you in the face for it. If you wear a swastika on your arm and call people apes, well, talk shit, get hit.


Of course the guy deserved it. Legally not so much.

Fuck what's legal. Do what's right.

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What is happening on college campuses with these speakers, I really do find to be cause for concern.

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But again, that goes back to my original point that we are all just sitting back and discussing this in an academic way. Which is fine, but you have to realize what's best in theory doesn't usually work out that way in reality.



True. And when a person is emotional about an issue, someone even attempting to discuss said issue in a detached academic way can easily enrage the other person.

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But again, that goes back to my original point that we are all just sitting back and discussing this in an academic way. Which is fine, but you have to realize what's best in theory doesn't usually work out that way in reality.



True. And when a person is emotional about an issue, someone even attempting to discuss said issue in a detached academic way can easily enrage the other person.


In this case the academic has been working in reality for hundreds of years

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good dolphin wrote:
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I would hope most would agree we can't just go around knocking out people whose views we don't like.

Yeah, but there are views and there are views, right? If you believe the Bears should start Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky against Pittsburgh, we can agree or disagree, but no one should punch you in the face for it. If you wear a swastika on your arm and call people apes, well, talk shit, get hit.


Of course the guy deserved it. Legally not so much.

Fuck what's legal. Do what's right.

Oh. Yeah, I dunno. I believe that. There are a lot of bad laws. Am I supposed to feel morally wrong(all jokes about the Rick meme aside) for smoking weed? I think equating that to disregard for the constitution and a soldier's oath(also worth mentioning I am a civilian now) is a little dramatic, wouldn't you say?

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good dolphin wrote:
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But again, that goes back to my original point that we are all just sitting back and discussing this in an academic way. Which is fine, but you have to realize what's best in theory doesn't usually work out that way in reality.



True. And when a person is emotional about an issue, someone even attempting to discuss said issue in a detached academic way can easily enrage the other person.


In this case the academic has been working in reality for hundreds of years

I don't know what this means. The reality is that assholes have been getting punched for hundreds of years regardless of how civilized the society.

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FavreFan wrote:
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I would hope most would agree we can't just go around knocking out people whose views we don't like.

Yeah, but there are views and there are views, right? If you believe the Bears should start Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky against Pittsburgh, we can agree or disagree, but no one should punch you in the face for it. If you wear a swastika on your arm and call people apes, well, talk shit, get hit.


Of course the guy deserved it. Legally not so much.

Fuck what's legal. Do what's right.

Oh. Yeah, I dunno. I believe that. There are a lot of bad laws. Am I supposed to feel morally wrong(all jokes about the Rick meme aside) for smoking weed? I think equating that to disregard for the constitution and a soldier's oath(also worth mentioning I am a civilian now) is a little dramatic, wouldn't you say?


We aren't talking about smoking weed and we aren't talking about some fly by night law.

Dramatic would be starting a new thread bashing you and following you around every section repeating it. I'm just calling you a bad American in a thread on the subject.

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Do you want me to start a thread and follow him around?

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We aren't talking about smoking weed and we aren't talking about some fly by night law.

Dramatic would be starting a new thread bashing you and following you around every section repeating it. I'm just calling you a bad American in a thread on the subject.

Well I wasn't being specific when saying fuck legal, do what's right. It was more a general response to pittmike's post. But even beyond that, I had clarified my position pretty soon after -

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Yes, it's wrong to punch someone for saying offensive shit. No, I'm not surprised that someone saying and wearing offensive things and being antagonistic got punched. No, I don't feel bad for the guy.


If you think that makes me a bad American I would guess you don't really have a firm grasp on what a good American is.

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We aren't talking about smoking weed and we aren't talking about some fly by night law.

Dramatic would be starting a new thread bashing you and following you around every section repeating it. I'm just calling you a bad American in a thread on the subject.

Well I wasn't being specific when saying fuck legal, do what's right. It was more a general response to pittmike's post. But even beyond that, I had clarified my position pretty soon after -

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Yes, it's wrong to punch someone for saying offensive shit. No, I'm not surprised that someone saying and wearing offensive things and being antagonistic got punched. No, I don't feel bad for the guy.


If you think that makes me a bad American I would guess you don't really have a firm grasp on what a good American is.


but your guess is wrong

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We aren't talking about smoking weed and we aren't talking about some fly by night law.

Dramatic would be starting a new thread bashing you and following you around every section repeating it. I'm just calling you a bad American in a thread on the subject.

Well I wasn't being specific when saying fuck legal, do what's right. It was more a general response to pittmike's post. But even beyond that, I had clarified my position pretty soon after -

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Yes, it's wrong to punch someone for saying offensive shit. No, I'm not surprised that someone saying and wearing offensive things and being antagonistic got punched. No, I don't feel bad for the guy.


If you think that makes me a bad American I would guess you don't really have a firm grasp on what a good American is.


but your guess is wrong

Don't think so, but I'll humor you. Which part of that makes me a bad American?

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good dolphin wrote:
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We aren't talking about smoking weed and we aren't talking about some fly by night law.

Dramatic would be starting a new thread bashing you and following you around every section repeating it. I'm just calling you a bad American in a thread on the subject.

Well I wasn't being specific when saying fuck legal, do what's right. It was more a general response to pittmike's post. But even beyond that, I had clarified my position pretty soon after -

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Yes, it's wrong to punch someone for saying offensive shit. No, I'm not surprised that someone saying and wearing offensive things and being antagonistic got punched. No, I don't feel bad for the guy.


If you think that makes me a bad American I would guess you don't really have a firm grasp on what a good American is.


but your guess is wrong

Don't think so, but I'll humor you. Which part of that makes me a bad American?

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We aren't talking about smoking weed and we aren't talking about some fly by night law.

Dramatic would be starting a new thread bashing you and following you around every section repeating it. I'm just calling you a bad American in a thread on the subject.

Well I wasn't being specific when saying fuck legal, do what's right. It was more a general response to pittmike's post. But even beyond that, I had clarified my position pretty soon after -

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Yes, it's wrong to punch someone for saying offensive shit. No, I'm not surprised that someone saying and wearing offensive things and being antagonistic got punched. No, I don't feel bad for the guy.


If you think that makes me a bad American I would guess you don't really have a firm grasp on what a good American is.


but your guess is wrong

Don't think so, but I'll humor you. Which part of that makes me a bad American?


The part where you advocate dispensing with a fundamental of American beliefs in exchange for some ambiguous right.

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The part where you advocate dispensing with a fundamental of American beliefs in exchange for some ambiguous right.

See, that is where you are mistaken. Read the quote again. I never advocated anything. Just conveyed my reaction - which was that it was a wholly unsurprising reaction to the behavior exhibited.

If you're walking down the street with your wife and someone insults your wife you are wrong to hit him, but it's not an unexpected reaction and I wouldn't feel bad for the guy being hit.

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The part where you advocate dispensing with a fundamental of American beliefs in exchange for some ambiguous right.

See, that is where you are mistaken. Read the quote again. I never advocated anything. Just conveyed my reaction - which was that it was a wholly unsurprising reaction to the behavior exhibited.

If you're walking down the street with your wife and someone insults your wife you are wrong to hit him, but it's not an unexpected reaction and I wouldn't feel bad for the guy being hit.


The above is an entirely different situation.

I don't know how I could take your exhortation to "Fuck what's legal. Do what's right." any other way within the context. However, while you are a bad American you seem to have a good soul so I apologize for not understanding your inarticulate posts.

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The part where you advocate dispensing with a fundamental of American beliefs in exchange for some ambiguous right.

See, that is where you are mistaken. Read the quote again. I never advocated anything. Just conveyed my reaction - which was that it was a wholly unsurprising reaction to the behavior exhibited.

If you're walking down the street with your wife and someone insults your wife you are wrong to hit him, but it's not an unexpected reaction and I wouldn't feel bad for the guy being hit.


The above is an entirely different situation.

I don't know how I could take your exhortation to "Fuck what's legal. Do what's right." any other way within the context. However, while you are a bad American you seem to have a good soul so I apologize for not understanding your inarticulate posts.

The above is not an entirely different situation. You're using violence in response to provocative language.

Save the lame insults. You know your presumption was rightly called out and now you're trying to turn it into a semantics game. Read more carefully next time.

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I don't know how I could take your exhortation to "Fuck what's legal. Do what's right." any other way within the context. However, while you are a bad American you seem to have a good soul so I apologize for not understanding your inarticulate posts.


Are you suggesting that morality and law encompass one another absolutely? I'm sure you're well aware of many of the philosophical debates about that question.

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The part where you advocate dispensing with a fundamental of American beliefs in exchange for some ambiguous right.

See, that is where you are mistaken. Read the quote again. I never advocated anything. Just conveyed my reaction - which was that it was a wholly unsurprising reaction to the behavior exhibited.

If you're walking down the street with your wife and someone insults your wife you are wrong to hit him, but it's not an unexpected reaction and I wouldn't feel bad for the guy being hit.


The above is an entirely different situation.

I don't know how I could take your exhortation to "Fuck what's legal. Do what's right." any other way within the context. However, while you are a bad American you seem to have a good soul so I apologize for not understanding your inarticulate posts.

The above is not an entirely different situation. You're using violence in response to provocative language.

Save the lame insults. You know your presumption was rightly called out and now you're trying to turn it into a semantics game. Read more carefully next time.


But for an entirely different offense. A law and the constitution are not equals.

I know it is entirely correct and has been supported by others who have called you out in this thread. No semantics.

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I don't know how I could take your exhortation to "Fuck what's legal. Do what's right." any other way within the context. However, while you are a bad American you seem to have a good soul so I apologize for not understanding your inarticulate posts.


Are you suggesting that morality and law encompass one another absolutely? I'm sure you're well aware of many of the philosophical debates about that question.


No.

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But for an entirely different offense. A law and the constitution are not equals.

I know it is entirely correct and has been supported by others who have called you out in this thread. No semantics.

Read the thread again. You equated the law and constitution, not me. I simply responded once you had.

You can't even defend your own argument. Every time I ask you directly you cannot respond. I'll give you one last try I guess, and then we can call it a day if you sidestep again. What is unamerican about the following:

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If you can't answer directly this time don't bother.

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If you can't answer directly this time don't bother.


Is there a question in there?

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Yes, it's wrong to punch someone for saying offensive shit. No, I'm not surprised that someone saying and wearing offensive things and being antagonistic got punched. No, I don't feel bad for the guy.


If you can't answer directly this time don't bother.


Is there a question in there?

Yes. You edited it out for some reason. But that was the type of answer I was expecting. We can probably call this one now.

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