Exactly.

It's hard to fault guys who signed on to do an adaptation and ended up having to write the ending.

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Not to slight Arya but every Tywin scene was awesome.

Tywin and Tyrion are the Magic/Bird of this show.

Im unclear on this. I've heard this before, but also heard that the whole point of the story was the Jon-Dany meeting which was nowhere near happening yet at the Red Wedding.

But surely we can criticize the writing on its own merits, no? It's not so much about how true it is to the source material anymore - it's their original writing at this point.

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Jamie-Brienne would likely be just as awkward if they did get them together for real.

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It's both. He created the world with the idea that Dany-Jon would be the end game(and whatever happens with that story) but he planned to stop writing after the Red Wedding. It was going to be unfinished.

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Tywin putting Joffrey in check twice (sending him to bed and "you are being counseled at this very moment") was awesome.

Tyrion almost always getting under Joffrey's skin even when Joffrey tried to flex on him

Joffrey: You can be my cup bearer

Tyrion: Your Grace does me a great honor

Joffrey: It's not meant as an honor!


The Sword fight at the Tower of Joy was awesome.

Mountain vs the Viper (Essentially Hogan-Andre from WM3 with a twist ending where Andre kicks out and murders Hogan)


Lady Elena's insults


The voices and attitudes of Balon Greyjoy and Walder Frey

Sure. I'm talking more about the "this isn't how George would do it" criticisms. George had plenty of time to do it. Instead he wrote 7 other books.

I think they got the major plot points for what happen and just write to get to those with no thought for how they get there.

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Frey is pure evil. Him and joffery were very convincing bad dudes. I thought they overdid Ramsey's sadism. It's like okay we get it, he's pretty messed up. Let's move on.

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AND IT WILL REMAIN THAT WAY!

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Missed opportunity. I loved the first three seasons of the show, but they have gone off the rails mostly since season 5.

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Yea, that's a common complaint. They could have taken 1-2 of the 10 RAMSAY is CRAZY scenes on why he got that crazy (growing up a bastard and product of rape)

Season 4 was awesome.

Not exactly true. He originally did want 3 books, which turned to 6, which turned to 7, and will likely need 8. Except he will never finish them. He always intended to have 3 parts to his story - The war of the 5 kings, the dance of dragons, and the war for dawn. The show left out Aegon and gave his story to Cersei, and they are fighting the Others as we speak. So the show rolled the final two plots into one.

George screwed up by making the 4th book into 2 books by expanding too much on side characters and regions. And now he is having problems getting the characters to meet up in a realistic fashion. The show doesn't care about that because everyone has jet packs that allows them to fly all over Westeros and Essos. But George is screwed and now he is bored. And we have two main parts of the story still not told with only two supposed books remaining. And he is 69 years old.

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Season 4 had it's ups and downs. Obviously the Mountain and Oberyn fight was good. But that is where the show's dialogue and the horrible white washing of Tyrion making him perfect to everyone really started to take fold.

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Joffrey might be the greatest TV villain of all time. OF ALL TIME.

That kid did a great job. Kind of feel bad for him because he has such a punchable face but, by all accounts,
Sounds like a great guy IRL.

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But they have known the ending since the beginning. George has always known how the series would end and he told D&D during one of their meetings. And you can't just blame George for not finishing on them having to write their own stuff. They started to really deviate from the books starting back at season 4. Season 4 was still book 3, so they started to break off when there was still 2 and a half books worth of material.

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Didn't you say the books basically made a realistic ending impossible?

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Didn't you say the books basically made a realistic ending impossible?

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It's not impossible. George specifically knows the ending and has since the beginning, but he has called himself a gardener and not an architect when it comes to his writing. He plants seeds to see where they grow as opposed to starting with outlines and laying things out in order. Because of that, some of his seeds have grown to be unmanageable and George has written himself into some corners that are hard to get out of. The show could have done the same things, but they are much more loose with the traveling and use deus ex machina in the form of dragons quite frequently.

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They have to be. They have deadlines. George, apparently, does not.

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Sadly, that is true because George's publisher has no spine.

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Bianchi's Pizza!?!

I miss Oogie's.

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I enjoyed all the world building and the character development scenes early on, but everything seems to be rushed now as others have said. Feels like the times I'd write papers in college with really solid introductions and other sections to frame my argument only to rush through the actual meat of the paper because I was running out of time.

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Yes it kind of sucks, but do you understand why they are doing it?

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Yeah it's fine. I'm still enjoying the ride for the most part.

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Happens in every show.

On Walking Dead you got to know the original crew for like 2-3 seasons. Now people show up and die in 4 episode arcs.

Does anyone even remember the Everyone Hates Chris kid was on that show?

But of course! Didn't know if anyone would know that one. That's my hometown.

And don't get me started on Oogie's. Best root beer ever, hands down.

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Idk if this was mentioned previously, but the final season is $15mil/episode. Going all out.

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Agreed. That was the deluxe Friday meal for the bums like us working at Farm & Fleet - the old one, not the nice, new one.

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