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The number of people who love the flag but seemingly are very bothered by some of the freedoms it symbolizes is pretty big.


More stupidity. I could go in front of your mothers house with dead fetus signs all day. Would that bother you?

Not at all.

But I have an odd relationship with my mom.


It's not stupidity. Are you going to pretend you dont see people wrapping themselves in the flag while simultaneously wanting to force people to salute a flag or shut down free speech?


Basically, Love it or Leave it is the most un-American sentiment possible.


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Republicans control damn near every state and couldn't win an election without the use of identity politics but the left is definitely ruining by indoctrinating the youth.


Republicans are truly horrible people with the exception of one or two. Professional educators should have more ethics than republican politicians. But they don't.

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Hatch, explain the pornorgraphy comparison. Are you saying the flag on the floor in a school offends you the same way showing porn to school kids would?

Im not trying change your words or spin. Im legit asking.


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It's not stupidity. Are you going to pretend you dont see people wrapping themselves in the flag while simultaneously wanting to force people to salute a flag or shut down free speech?

Basically, Love it or Leave it is the most un-American sentiment possible.


1. yes. ignoramuses

2. I dunno. If you hate America which is your God given right to do, you have the obligation to tear off the shackles and overthrow this illegitimate govt. You SHOULD do it and people ARE doing it, in their own way. Which is the point I was making.

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"this is in no way meant to disrespect the flag or the military, but..." is the new "I'm not racist, but..."

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Hatch, explain the pornorgraphy comparison. Are you saying the flag on the floor in a school offends you the same way showing porn to school kids would?

Im not trying change your words or spin. Im legit asking.


PERSONALLY, I find a flag on the floor more offensive than pornography. But others have differing views. Which is why we should do neither.

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but I shouldn't say "should." I am just an observer of things. If the people want a new government, I say go for it.

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It bothers me when people trash the flag not to demonstrate their right to do so but to try to create a sort of edgy or radical vibe or to insult others in an underhanded way.


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"this is in no way meant to disrespect the flag or the military, but..." is the new "I'm not racist, but..."


The dumbest thing posted all week. Congrats!

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"this is in no way meant to disrespect the flag or the military, but..." is the new "I'm not racist, but..."

I disagree.

It's the other way. Almost any criticism of the country gets spun into spitting in the faces of veterans.


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Why do you hate the constitution? Why do you love a symbol more than the living document it represents?


I think the constitution is a fine document. I also think MANY people on the left cannot burn it so they do best thing they can, which is to indoctrinate young people as to how horrible this country is. And it is working. Which is why this country is done for. Revolution should be fun!


Republicans control damn near every state and couldn't win an election without the use of identity politics but the left is definitely ruining the country by indoctrinating the youth.


My wife is an elementary school teacher, and yes, the left is indoctrinating youth. At that age, it isn't through overt preaching and lectures. It's subtle. The big textbook companies and required reading and short stories all have hidden agendas behind them. I know because I read the stuff she has to teach.

And to Hatchet's point, the ACLU's original purpose is to defend the Bill of Rights. The right definitely gets upset with them when they go after religious institutions based on separation of church and state and the like. But the left sure does get pissed off when the ACLU defends neo Nazis' rights to march and protest. While I think the right is sometimes hypocritical when it comes to applying Constitutional rights, I feel a significant portion of the left legitimately feels the Constitution is an outdated document that needs to be rewritten or changed to reflect progressive values.

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It bothers me when people trash the flag not to demonstrate their right to do so but to try to create a sort of edgy or radical vibe or to insult others in an underhanded way.


I can't wait to hear how Bernstein's kid will #TakeAKnee for the pledge at school every morning.


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Why do you hate the constitution? Why do you love a symbol more than the living document it represents?


I think the constitution is a fine document. I also think MANY people on the left cannot burn it so they do best thing they can, which is to indoctrinate young people as to how horrible this country is. And it is working. Which is why this country is done for. Revolution should be fun!


Republicans control damn near every state and couldn't win an election without the use of identity politics but the left is definitely ruining the country by indoctrinating the youth.


My wife is an elementary school teacher, and yes, the left is indoctrinating youth. At that age, it isn't through overt preaching and lectures. It's subtle. The big textbook companies and required reading and short stories all have hidden agendas behind them. I know because I read the stuff she has to teach.

And to Hatchet's point, the ACLU's original purpose is to defend the Bill of Rights. The right definitely gets upset with them when they go after religious institutions based on separation of church and state and the like. But the left sure does get pissed off when the ACLU defends neo Nazis' rights to march and protest. While I think the right is sometimes hypocritical when it comes to applying Constitutional rights, I feel a significant portion of the left legitimately feels the Constitution is an outdated document that needs to be rewritten or changed to reflect progressive values.


These text books are written in deep red states. They are indoctrinating our youth by rewriting history to make America look great in every way. We still celebrate fucking Columbus Day.

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We still celebrate fucking Columbus Day.


I don't mind this too much--it was a great achievement--but I wouldn't mind if we celebrated other things on this day, too (Indigenous Appreciation, etc.).


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Hatch, explain the pornorgraphy comparison. Are you saying the flag on the floor in a school offends you the same way showing porn to school kids would?

Im not trying change your words or spin. Im legit asking.


PERSONALLY, I find a flag on the floor more offensive than pornography.


Why?

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I would call the police on anyone who would vandalize a school display.

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SuperMario wrote:
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Why do you hate the constitution? Why do you love a symbol more than the living document it represents?


I think the constitution is a fine document. I also think MANY people on the left cannot burn it so they do best thing they can, which is to indoctrinate young people as to how horrible this country is. And it is working. Which is why this country is done for. Revolution should be fun!


Republicans control damn near every state and couldn't win an election without the use of identity politics but the left is definitely ruining the country by indoctrinating the youth.


My wife is an elementary school teacher, and yes, the left is indoctrinating youth. At that age, it isn't through overt preaching and lectures. It's subtle. The big textbook companies and required reading and short stories all have hidden agendas behind them. I know because I read the stuff she has to teach.

And to Hatchet's point, the ACLU's original purpose is to defend the Bill of Rights. The right definitely gets upset with them when they go after religious institutions based on separation of church and state and the like. But the left sure does get pissed off when the ACLU defends neo Nazis' rights to march and protest. While I think the right is sometimes hypocritical when it comes to applying Constitutional rights, I feel a significant portion of the left legitimately feels the Constitution is an outdated document that needs to be rewritten or changed to reflect progressive values.

There are hypocrites on both sides. ON BOTH SIDES.

I, for one, fully support the ACLU defending the Nazis rights.


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Why?


Why? What do you mean why? Why not? Personal preference. I have a visceral response to seeing the flag on the ground. Maybe something indoctrinated to me in Cub Scouts. I never went far enough to get my porn patch.

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There are hypocrites on both sides. ON BOTH SIDES.

I, for one, fully support the ACLU defending the Nazis rights.


Jesus....you're good at this.


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Hatchetman wrote:
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Hatch, explain the pornorgraphy comparison. Are you saying the flag on the floor in a school offends you the same way showing porn to school kids would?

Im not trying change your words or spin. Im legit asking.


PERSONALLY, I find a flag on the floor more offensive than pornography. But others have differing views. Which is why we should do neither.

I would think it's less offensive or whatever when in the context of a lesson about rights.

I mean, its not like a teacher just happened to say "Im going to put a flag on the floor to protest ____"


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Why do you hate the constitution? Why do you love a symbol more than the living document it represents?


I think the constitution is a fine document. I also think MANY people on the left cannot burn it so they do best thing they can, which is to indoctrinate young people as to how horrible this country is. And it is working. Which is why this country is done for. Revolution should be fun!


Republicans control damn near every state and couldn't win an election without the use of identity politics but the left is definitely ruining the country by indoctrinating the youth.


My wife is an elementary school teacher, and yes, the left is indoctrinating youth. At that age, it isn't through overt preaching and lectures. It's subtle. The big textbook companies and required reading and short stories all have hidden agendas behind them. I know because I read the stuff she has to teach.

And to Hatchet's point, the ACLU's original purpose is to defend the Bill of Rights. The right definitely gets upset with them when they go after religious institutions based on separation of church and state and the like. But the left sure does get pissed off when the ACLU defends neo Nazis' rights to march and protest. While I think the right is sometimes hypocritical when it comes to applying Constitutional rights, I feel a significant portion of the left legitimately feels the Constitution is an outdated document that needs to be rewritten or changed to reflect progressive values.

There are hypocrites on both sides. ON BOTH SIDES.

I, for one, fully support the ACLU defending the Nazis rights.


And I have no issue with anyone who loves their confederate flag.

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I think the government's ability to control your speech depending on what it defines as "obscene" is a lot more problematic and thorny than if you can put the flag on the floor. What the hell is that going to accomplish?

My bro-in-law was in China this week and the entire country has been blocked off MANY internet sites...Facebook, Twitter, The NEW YORK TIMES! of all things.

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My bro-in-law was in China this week and the entire country has been blocked off MANY internet sites...Facebook, Twitter, The NEW YORK TIMES! of all things.

I bet they execute people who lay the chinese flag on the floor too. Sounds like a great place to live.

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My bro-in-law was in China this week and the entire country has been blocked off MANY internet sites...Facebook, Twitter, The NEW YORK TIMES! of all things.

I bet they execute people who lay the chinese flag on the floor too. Sounds like a great place to live.


Might be when our geographic area is a war zone.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Why do you hate the constitution? Why do you love a symbol more than the living document it represents?


I think the constitution is a fine document. I also think MANY people on the left cannot burn it so they do best thing they can, which is to indoctrinate young people as to how horrible this country is. And it is working. Which is why this country is done for. Revolution should be fun!


Republicans control damn near every state and couldn't win an election without the use of identity politics but the left is definitely ruining the country by indoctrinating the youth.


My wife is an elementary school teacher, and yes, the left is indoctrinating youth. At that age, it isn't through overt preaching and lectures. It's subtle. The big textbook companies and required reading and short stories all have hidden agendas behind them. I know because I read the stuff she has to teach.

And to Hatchet's point, the ACLU's original purpose is to defend the Bill of Rights. The right definitely gets upset with them when they go after religious institutions based on separation of church and state and the like. But the left sure does get pissed off when the ACLU defends neo Nazis' rights to march and protest. While I think the right is sometimes hypocritical when it comes to applying Constitutional rights, I feel a significant portion of the left legitimately feels the Constitution is an outdated document that needs to be rewritten or changed to reflect progressive values.


These text books are written in deep red states. They are indoctrinating our youth by rewriting history to make America look great in every way. We still celebrate fucking Columbus Day.


I think Columbus Day will go away at some point. Or at least schools won't get it off. Maybe they could replace it with Leif Erikson Day or even St. Brendan Day, as he supposedly found North America in the 6th Century. But changes are already happening at schools. My wife's school calls Halloween, Fall Day. Christmas Break is Winter Break. And Valentine's Day is Friendship Day.

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Franky T wrote:
"this is in no way meant to disrespect the flag or the military, but..." is the new "I'm not racist, but..."

I disagree.

It's the other way. Almost any criticism of the country gets spun into spitting in the faces of veterans.

I was just joking, but I do find it funny how that phrase is being used so much to preface whatever comes next.

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Why? What do you mean why? Why not? Personal preference. I have a visceral response to seeing the flag on the ground. Maybe something indoctrinated to me in Cub Scouts. I never went far enough to get my porn patch.


What was it? Can you remember?

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Why do you hate the constitution? Why do you love a symbol more than the living document it represents?


I think the constitution is a fine document. I also think MANY people on the left cannot burn it so they do best thing they can, which is to indoctrinate young people as to how horrible this country is. And it is working. Which is why this country is done for. Revolution should be fun!


Republicans control damn near every state and couldn't win an election without the use of identity politics but the left is definitely ruining the country by indoctrinating the youth.


My wife is an elementary school teacher, and yes, the left is indoctrinating youth. At that age, it isn't through overt preaching and lectures. It's subtle. The big textbook companies and required reading and short stories all have hidden agendas behind them. I know because I read the stuff she has to teach.


Correct. There is no doubt under Obama that schools began to emphasize the teaching of radical left wing concepts like photosynthesis that undermine American values. Its no surprise that the students indoctrinated in such things went on to become leaders in the climate change hoax. My aunt teaches at a local high school and after reading what she has to teach I almost started to recycle my soda cans before I thought better of it. It's really subtle but effective propaganda.

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Correct. There is no doubt under Obama that schools began to emphasize the teaching of radical left wing concepts like photosynthesis that undermine American values. Its no surprise that the students indoctrinated in such things went on to become leaders in the climate change hoax. My aunt teaches at a local high school and after reading what she has to teach I almost started to recycle my soda cans before I thought better of it. It's really subtle but effective propaganda.


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The number of people who love the flag but seemingly are very bothered by some of the freedoms it symbolizes is pretty big.


More stupidity. I could go in front of your mothers house with dead fetus signs all day. Would that bother you?

Not at all.

But I have an odd relationship with my mom.



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