Fairly obvious to me this will be Fangio's job to turn down next year.

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This is what I mean. We matters not one iota.

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I appreciate your permission.

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I'd like clarification on if he was told to keep Fox and/or told to give Cutler one last year to prove himself. Those were both awful decisions if he made them independently. The Glennon signing was bad but that's an excusable mistake, imo. The first two things I mentioned are very glaring errors if it was Pace's call.

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Pace was hired a week earlier. It's possible he was told that he wouldn't get to select the new coach, but, that's even more concerning if true.

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Snark, Snark, Snark.

More concerning how? If you say it's because the ownership and Phillips have too big a hand in football operations, I agree it's concerning but a new GM won't change that. If you think it's concerning because it shows a lack of qualification on Pace's part, I'm not sure I agree. I don't think it's uncommon for a rookie GM to be told who his coach will be. I know the 49ers told Lynch he was getting Shanahan when he was hired.

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It's concerning if the Bears hired a guy who they didn't think could be trusted to pick his own coach.

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Thankfully, when Fox is gone, and Fangio is promoted we won't have to think about this anymore.

Fox is cashing checks at this point. Sounds like dead man walking every time he speaks. That has to have some affect on the team.

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Sure. I agree. The Bears ownership group is on the short list of most incompetent in all of sports. A new GM isn't changing that though.

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Doesn't matter. The new coach is already on the staff. Probably agreed upon when he took the D coordinator spot.

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I know George and Ted probably forced Fox on him and wouldn't be surprised if they made Pace keep him this year. But the thing is, if you fire Fox and keep Pace, you're already limiting the pool of coaching candidates because the very best guys aren't going to walk into a situation where there's a good chance the GM is fired one season later. And if you let Pace hire a coach but fire him next season, you're in turn limiting the pool of GM candidates if they're not going to be able to bring in their own coach immediately (as when the Bears had to hire someone as incompetent as Emery just because the McCaskeys wanted to keep Lovie around after they fired Angelo).

Pace's players picks don't have me suddenly chomping at the bit to see him be able to hire his own coach or waste a couple more seasons. It sucks for him that Fox was forced on him, but I'm not sure he'd have done much better if he was allowed to hire a head coach himself.

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I'm not sure that is Bears incompetence though in the same way you are using it. If you trust a guy to draft, sign free agents, and make other roster decisions you also need to trust that person to make a head coaching hire. It seems pretty clear the Bears thought he was not only too inexperienced to do it but they also needed to bring in a long time NFL guy like Fox to help him out.

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I think Pace got a bit unlucky with Kevin White. Outside of keeping Fox and signing Glennon, I don't see too many huge misfires by Pace. I think he's done fairly good work so far given the limitations he probably has had from ownership. As a GB fan, I would love for them to fire him. It would just reset the rebuild a bit more and his successor will likely be worse.

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It is my recollection that Bears management hired Arcosi and presented Fox to Pace strongly. Pace then heard from Sean Payton that Fox was a good guy so he bought in. Feels like Pace said sure why not as he had no other sure fire thing ready to counter argue with. He will now get one more shot at it.

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But you just said it yourself right there. If the Bears ownership brought in fox, I don't even need any more evidence of their incompetence. That alone is sufficient. Hiring a GM and not trusting him with actual GM duties is just icing on the incompetence cake.

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Thinking about this a bit more...

What were Pace's other options? Signing Glennon was bad, but he pretty much had to draft a QB high, or else send that pick and more for Garapollo(sp). Outside of those options, it was guys like Hoyer and McCown. He really didn't have another option outside of spending high draft capital on a QB

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McCown or Hoyer would have been a better choice.

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I disagree.

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But then you would have made it painfully obvious you were drafting a QB in the first round.

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Hoyer or Barkley literally could have done no worse. They both would have been had for cheaper. Both guys probably would have been find knowing their role as a placeholder, as Hoyer had been a backup before and Barkley wasn't even in the league last year. Hell, Cutler was under contract with a minimal cap hit and they cut him.

Only the Bears could use a high draft pick on a QB and still fuck the QB position up royally.

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Maybe marginally. Negligible difference though if they cut Glennon this summer.

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Yeah, we sure benefited from that when we traded 4 picks to move up one spot.

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I think the big problem is that Pace found him to be worth so much money. If he had offered him a reasonable contract I wouldn't be judging it.

In the long run it won't matter but it is yet another questionable decision by a guy with a lot more questionable decisions than good ones.

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I'm not sure I understand what difference the cost makes for a guy that's here for one year...

did anyone actually expect the Bears to be competitive this year? Didn't most expect them to be 0-4 to start the season? I tried to tell you guys last night would be a blowout...they snuck a TD in at the very end, but it was 21-0 with 2 minutes to play and the analysts fell all over themselves to say how back in the game the Bears were. Oy.

I saw Glennon play a few games in Tampa and man, he looked way better and less robotic. I wanted Glennon.

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And I was maybe the biggest proponent of how terrible that gamble could be going forward.

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