Sounds like bullshit. They had agreed on Jimenez months before but they couldn't work out the filler.

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Perhaps, but baseball people still cannot believe it.

Altogether not a terrible idea.

I think that's a very believable scenario.

Who told you that?

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Hahn or Theo said it during an interview on the Score.

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I think that was Hahn who said that, but the interview with the Score Theo did right before the trade you could tell he was super pissed with the whole team after that Lester game. Panic/anger? At least he shot his shot.

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Just some background, this NL scout is no fan of the Sox org and has a decided pro-Theo bent. He graded Jimenez's hit/power tools at 70/70 and thinks Cease will be a frontline closer. The comps he gave for Jimenez were fun to think about.

Theo obviously felt Jimenez was overvalued or he never trades him for a number 3 pitcher. We wont find out for a couple years if he was right or wrong.

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Not many #3 pitchers have a .700 winning percentage. That's a huge win. This trade will work out for both teams. The Cubs got a cheap quality starter and the Sox got a guy who could be a stud.

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It feels weird stuffing Jake & Jon on the tail-end of the rotation, but I think that's probably the way to go right now.

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I heard from a guy who would know that the Cubs had soured on Jimenez due to his work habits.

And for the record, I don't think this was a bad trade for the Cubs. They desperately needed quality starters going forward. There are going to be a minimal amount of guys available in free agency and a team will have to pay dearly for them. Quintana is going to give the Cubs 200 innings and around a .500 record in the games he starts at a very reasonable price tag. That's a fifth of the season and you're even, maybe a little better with some luck, and you don't have to worry about it. Now they have to replace Arrieta.

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I feel like scouts are always looking to start shit and deal in hindsight much of the time.


I would apply the grain of salt to all 3 statements made by scouts here.

Also there's the thing where Qunitana is already an MLB contributor

I like prospects as much as anyone but shit happens. A lot of people couldn't believe Brewers gave up the next Many Ramirez, Matt LaPorta, for 2 months of Sabathia.

10 years later....Matt LaPorta has 31 career home runs.


Jimenez will probably be good but there are no guarantees.

Yeah, I'm not excited about Jimenez or Cease. If they get here, they get here.

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I think it'll be good for both teams but the Sox will benefit from it longer.

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What every Cub fan used to say about their prospects before Theo. BT (Before Theo)

After watching glenbar torres lose a year to freak injury have no problem with the trade.

He the Homerun surge that MLB has seen carried over into the minors?

Yep, scouts usually have an ax to grind and this guy would fall into that category. The difference is in this case he has always been pro Theo and he wasn't just giving his opinion of the deal. If I were Theo, Jimenez would have been off the table in any deal for a pitcher.

This is true, but Michael Brantley has been a pretty good consolation prize.

You gotta stop this .500 nonsense, he was .500 with no run support, he will be getting more wins and runs for us.

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There's no such thing as "run support". "Run support" is nothing more than the lesser amount of runs allowed by the pitcher(s) who Quintana is facing on a given day. Like the two allowed by something called Robert Stephenson through five on Friday vs. the Cub Juggernaut while The Great Quintana was giving up four in four and two-thirds.

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He's 7-3 here, he will win 15-16 games next year.

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Why do some offenses score 200 more runs in a season then others? They all face the same pitchers.

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Well, they don't all face the same pitchers. But if those offenses had to face Corey Kluber every time they wouldn't score 200 runs. Quintana is a slightly better than mediocre pitcher.

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On a scale of 10 he's no worse than a 7. A solid #2 on most teams and a #1 on some.

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If he's a #1, that's one shitty rotation.

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Wasn't he the White Soc x #1?

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It seems in JORR's world there are only about 20 good pitchers (can be counted on to be .560 or above in W-L every year) in baseball at a given time.


So when he rips Quintana, he's saying he's like the 25th best pitcher in baseball. Not that bad...

Yeah the 3 time WS winning GM "panicked" over a couple bad starts .

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