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Using racial slurs isn't being a racist if you do it out of anger or because you are playing a video game!


Well, I think the point is, for example, if some big fat guy cuts you off on the highway and you yell, "YOU FAT FUCKIN' SLOB!", that really isn't an indication you hate fat people, is it?

When someone cuts me off, my go to would be what Crash Davis says about the ump's call.

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Plus do not forget this entire shi t storm started under Obama,one more thing he let happen to mess up the country to leave for the great and noble President Trump to try and fix.


Yes, racial inequality and police brutality started during the Obama years.

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Plus do not forget this entire shi t storm started under Obama,one more thing he let happen to mess up the country to leave for the great and noble President Trump to try and fix.


Yes, racial inequality and police brutality started during the Obama years.


No the kneeling bullshit.Stop being obtuse.

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Plus do not forget this entire shi t storm started under Obama,one more thing he let happen to mess up the country to leave for the great and noble President Trump to try and fix.


Yes, racial inequality and police brutality started during the Obama years.


No the kneeling bullshit.Stop being obtuse.


The kneeling is a protest. A protest of what? Go.

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Chus wrote:
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Plus do not forget this entire shi t storm started under Obama,one more thing he let happen to mess up the country to leave for the great and noble President Trump to try and fix.


Yes, racial inequality and police brutality started during the Obama years.


No the kneeling bullshit.Stop being obtuse.


The kneeling is a protest. A protest of what? Go.


It started as a protest of Police brutality,now who knows .I don't even think the people doing it do. I can see taking a knee then rising up after the song starts. Would show your protest while still showing respect for people who have fought and died for the flag and what it represent. The simple fact that a former member of the military has been ridiculed by his team for not joining in just shows what a disconnect these people have. Also,the fact that Godell does not have the balls to follow league rules and start fining everyone who kneels.
For the players to kneel and show disrespect to the military and first responders by doing this then cry when those same people threaten to not work the game is the height of hypocrisy. The First Amendment allows you to say almost anything you want,it does not protect you from the repercussions though.

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Plus do not forget this entire shi t storm started under Obama,one more thing he let happen to mess up the country to leave for the great and noble President Trump to try and fix.


Yes, racial inequality and police brutality started during the Obama years.


No the kneeling bullshit.Stop being obtuse.


The kneeling is a protest. A protest of what? Go.


It started as a protest of Police brutality,now who knows .I don't even think the people doing it do. I can see taking a knee then rising up after the song starts. Would show your protest while still showing respect for people who have fought and died for the flag and what it represent. The simple fact that a former member of the military has been ridiculed by his team for not joining in just shows what a disconnect these people have. Also,the fact that Godell does not have the balls to follow league rules and start fining everyone who kneels.
For the players to kneel and show disrespect to the military and first responders by doing this then cry when those same people threaten to not work the game is the height of hypocrisy. The First Amendment allows you to say almost anything you want,it does not protect you from the repercussions though.


But, Obama.

Protesting police brutality isn't disrespecting the military. This is disrespecting the military.

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Guy can't fight for shit. Might want to stick to fake sports.


Fuck off he at least put his ass on the line and tried.
Its not like he joined the Military during a time of war and did nothing but sit stateside getting drunk and high

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Chus wrote:
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Plus do not forget this entire shi t storm started under Obama,one more thing he let happen to mess up the country to leave for the great and noble President Trump to try and fix.


Yes, racial inequality and police brutality started during the Obama years.


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Young Obama clearly getting ready to lead a protest against police violence!
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So does the donation to a charity in the name of a woman who killed a cop change anything about this?

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So does the donation to a charity in the name of a woman who killed a cop change anything about this?


Well touting a message of equality while showing affinity for one of history's most oppressive and pervasive dictators wasn't enough hypocrisy for people, so I doubt this will be, either.


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Agree with Rick and JLN. If the messenger isn't flawless the message should be dismissed.

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Agree with Rick and JLN. If the messenger isn't flawless the message should be dismissed.

Don't you think it hurts his point though?

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Agree with Rick and JLN. If the messenger isn't flawless the message should be dismissed.

Don't you think it hurts his point though?

Yeah, it does. Not sure it's worse than wearing socks displaying cops as pigs on national TV. I doubt this changes opinions on Kaep on either side.

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Agree with Rick and JLN. If the messenger isn't flawless the message should be dismissed.

Don't you think it hurts his point though?

Yeah, it does. Not sure it's worse than wearing socks displaying cops as pigs on national TV. I doubt this changes opinions on Kaep on either side.

It is worse.

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Agree with Rick and JLN. If the messenger isn't flawless the message should be dismissed.


It's not just a flaw tangential to his cause (like his not voting), it is a flaw in direct contradiction of everything he has professed to stand for, and he's done it a few times. The Castro thing was worse by far, because that contradicted his platform on multiple levels, from Castro's use of the police force to violently silent dissenters (unchecked police force) to Castro's criminalizing of homosexuality (systemic inequality), supporting Castro in any way is supporting someone who actively engaged in everything he is protesting. And when he clings to his support of the maniacal dictator because of Cuba's literacy rate, he looks like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, and it raises the legitimate question of whether people should listen to what he has to say.


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Kaep did it all for the nookie. I thought that was well established.

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Kaep did it all for the nookie. I thought that was well established.

that better be the finest piece of ass out there for all of the effort he is going through

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Kaep did it all for the nookie. I thought that was well established.

that better be the finest piece of ass out there for all of the effort he is going through


Yeah his support and subsequent weak defense of Castro seems more like it was about Castro's support of Asada Shakur than it w as the literacy rate of people under Castro's reign. And that line of thinking just screams "Insta-Activist".


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So does the donation to a charity in the name of a woman who killed a cop change anything about this?

To this day she denies it and I believe her account is supported by medical evidence?


Ill admit to just doing a little research on this, so maybe someone who is more familiar with the details can explain it.


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So does the donation to a charity in the name of a woman who killed a cop change anything about this?

To this day she denies it and I believe her account is supported by medical evidence?


Ill admit to just doing a little research on this, so maybe someone who is more familiar with the details can explain it.

JLN was right though. Her excuse still doesn't change her role.

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So does the donation to a charity in the name of a woman who killed a cop change anything about this?

To this day she denies it and I believe her account is supported by medical evidence?


Ill admit to just doing a little research on this, so maybe someone who is more familiar with the details can explain it.


Her account that she didn't pull a trigger during the event is backed up by physical evidence, and her gunshot wounds from the trooper's pistol don't support the narrative that she was crouched by the vehicle facing the officer, per the surviving officer's testimony.

However, she wasn't convicted as the trigger-man, anyway, she was convicted under New Jersey's felony murder rule, wherein any party to an ongoing felony is convicted of the deaths that result from the felony (she was holding ammunition for the two armed individuals that did the shooting, and had been evading authorities after skipping bail for an armed robbery arrest in 1971, while also being named a suspect in the attempted murder of two cops in New York).

The jury instructions reflected this fact, as did the fact that the jury (who deliberated for three days, which should cool accusations that it was a blue ribbon panel of whites set to convict her of anything) asked the instructions be given to them again midway through their deliberations. In New Jersey, when you are convicted of murdering a law enforcement officer while performing his or her duties, you are immediately sentenced to life without parole.

Absent a smoking gun other than the subtle implication that white people cannot rightly convict a black person accused of a crime, she was rightly convicted.


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Kaep did it all for the nookie. I thought that was well established.

that better be the finest piece of ass out there for all of the effort he is going through

she's like ten years older


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Agree with Rick and JLN. If the messenger isn't flawless the message should be dismissed.


It's not just a flaw tangential to his cause (like his not voting), it is a flaw in direct contradiction of everything he has professed to stand for, and he's done it a few times. The Castro thing was worse by far, because that contradicted his platform on multiple levels, from Castro's use of the police force to violently silent dissenters (unchecked police force) to Castro's criminalizing of homosexuality (systemic inequality), supporting Castro in any way is supporting someone who actively engaged in everything he is protesting. And when he clings to his support of the maniacal dictator because of Cuba's literacy rate, he looks like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, and it raises the legitimate question of whether people should listen to what he has to say.

One can respect Castro for other reasons, though. I'm not saying I do, but there is plenty there to respect.


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Agree with Rick and JLN. If the messenger isn't flawless the message should be dismissed.


It's not just a flaw tangential to his cause (like his not voting), it is a flaw in direct contradiction of everything he has professed to stand for, and he's done it a few times. The Castro thing was worse by far, because that contradicted his platform on multiple levels, from Castro's use of the police force to violently silent dissenters (unchecked police force) to Castro's criminalizing of homosexuality (systemic inequality), supporting Castro in any way is supporting someone who actively engaged in everything he is protesting. And when he clings to his support of the maniacal dictator because of Cuba's literacy rate, he looks like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, and it raises the legitimate question of whether people should listen to what he has to say.

One can respect Castro for other reasons, though. I'm not saying I do, but there is plenty there to respect.


Oh of course, like his granting asylum to a fugitive cop-killer who is much revered in the activist community.


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Agree with Rick and JLN. If the messenger isn't flawless the message should be dismissed.


It's not just a flaw tangential to his cause (like his not voting), it is a flaw in direct contradiction of everything he has professed to stand for, and he's done it a few times. The Castro thing was worse by far, because that contradicted his platform on multiple levels, from Castro's use of the police force to violently silent dissenters (unchecked police force) to Castro's criminalizing of homosexuality (systemic inequality), supporting Castro in any way is supporting someone who actively engaged in everything he is protesting. And when he clings to his support of the maniacal dictator because of Cuba's literacy rate, he looks like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, and it raises the legitimate question of whether people should listen to what he has to say.

One can respect Castro for other reasons, though. I'm not saying I do, but there is plenty there to respect.


Oh of course, like his granting asylum to a fugitive cop-killer who is much revered in the activist community.


Seems like a smart play from where I'm sitting.


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So does the donation to a charity in the name of a woman who killed a cop change anything about this?

To this day she denies it and I believe her account is supported by medical evidence?


Ill admit to just doing a little research on this, so maybe someone who is more familiar with the details can explain it.


Her account that she didn't pull a trigger during the event is backed up by physical evidence, and her gunshot wounds from the trooper's pistol don't support the narrative that she was crouched by the vehicle facing the officer, per the surviving officer's testimony.

However, she wasn't convicted as the trigger-man, anyway, she was convicted under New Jersey's felony murder rule, wherein any party to an ongoing felony is convicted of the deaths that result from the felony (she was holding ammunition for the two armed individuals that did the shooting, and had been evading authorities after skipping bail for an armed robbery arrest in 1971, while also being named a suspect in the attempted murder of two cops in New York).

The jury instructions reflected this fact, as did the fact that the jury (who deliberated for three days, which should cool accusations that it was a blue ribbon panel of whites set to convict her of anything) asked the instructions be given to them again midway through their deliberations. In New Jersey, when you are convicted of murdering a law enforcement officer while performing his or her duties, you are immediately sentenced to life without parole.

Absent a smoking gun other than the subtle implication that white people cannot rightly convict a black person accused of a crime, she was rightly convicted.

So she was more "an accessory to" than an actual cop killer.

I read about how they convicted her based on that law you cited, but they still convicted her of murder? So they dont differentiate at all between accessory and the one who pulled the trigger?


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So they dont differentiate at all between accessory and the one who pulled the trigger?


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