Well, it could be worse than that, but I was being kind.

I'm not arguing. I'm just trying to discuss Assata Shakur and exactly what she did since some people have painted her as a victim.

Of course I dont defend helping someone kill a cop.

What if that bartender had a gun in her purse and shot Anthony Abbate?

I'm saying that compared to many other killings it is. You can disagree but killing an officer who is trying to enforce the laws we have deemed correct is different than most other killings. Your #AllKillingsMatter take doesn't really change that.

She didn't "help kill a cop", she "killed a cop". If as part of a deadly arson you poured the gasoline but another member of your crew lit the match and started the blaze, YOU killed those people. You don't benefit from any "but for" reasoning when talking about crimes of that nature.

It's weird that you're mocking the idea that a cop's life isn't more valuable than yours or mine.

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I guess that's fair.

Did she admit to that part? Holding the ammo?

This thread really shouldn't continue until someone admits that they think Shakur was wronged. Lots of "not defending but here is something defending" posts in here.

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You've changed my friend. Now you want to end debates?

I don't think it's more or less valuable than yours or mine. I do think the circumstances matter. As I said, if I get into a fight in a bar with Caller Bob and he kills me with his bare hands I think it is significantly different than if I was a cop trying to enforce the law and keep the public safe and I was killed for it.

No she didn't admit holding ammo

Under cross‐examination by Mr. Ba rone, Mrs. Chesimard was unable to ex plain how three clips of ammunition and an eyeglass containing 16 live shells hid got into her shoulder bag. She also admit ted knowing that Mr. Costan carried a gun at times.

“You knew that two persons you were with in that car carried guns and it didn't shock you?” Mr. Barone asked.

“No,” she answered, “I had seen other people with guns.”

Mr. Barone got Mrs. Chesimard to adnlit that the only identification in her billfold the night of the shooting was that of “Justine Henderson,” but she denied using any of a long list of aliases read by Mr. Barone.

I want to debate people who have an opposing stance.

It seems like you want to act like she was innocent without saying it.

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Wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/1977/03/16/archi ... oting.html

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Where is her admitting?

But, once again, cop killer doesn't tell you anything about the circumstances, and your comparison is one that you know is flawed. Compare it to someone wanting IT guys dead and killing you one day for that. Is that better or worse? Why isn't it important to know the circumstances by having a specific label for all types of killing? It's just a ridiculous argument.

I think the policies of that era as far as COINTELRO, and just Hoover's overreaching blood lust for any sort of black panther enthusiasm would lead many objective researchers to not fully buy the police account of what happened.

Seems to me her culpability was minor, but NJ has a law that makes an accomplice a participant.

I understand that you don't see the difference. To me, when someone targets a person who is supposed to uphold the laws it is a different type of killing. It doesn't mean that it is necessarily worse than all other killings. It just means it is a special type of killing. As I said, if a cop kills someone on the job the same things apply.

To extend it to the military, we treat those killings much different than we do the IT killer too.

My point is that certain circumstances exist that make a killing different. I think that killing an on duty cop is one of those.

I think the policies of that era as far as COINTELRO, and just Hoover's overreaching blood lust for any sort of black panther enthusiasm would lead many objective researchers to not fully buy the police account of what happened.

Seems to me her culpability was minor,

but NJ has a law that makes an accomplice a participant.

Do you think Assata Shakur was framed or otherwise wrongly convicted for the murder of a New Jersey State Trooper?

So she never admitted it?

I think it's obvious she was holding the ammo and did take part and the conviction was right but why say she admitted it if she didnt?

Oh Jesus Christ, do we really have to argue about whether the lack of a denial and inability to explain the presence of the ammunition is an admission that it was present in the first place? Do I have to go find the transcript of the cross somewhere?

Fucking A, you guys really do want to find any reason to doubt this conviction. Why? It's because she was convicted of murdering a cop, isn't it? And you have been trained by modern popular culture to normalize or otherwise excuse that kind of behavior.

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Oh Jesus Christ, do we really have to argue about whether the lack of a denial and inability to explain the presence of the ammunition is an admission that it was present in the first place? Do I have to go find the transcript of the cross somewhere?

Fucking A, you guys really do want to find any reason to doubt this conviction. Why? It's because she was convicted of murdering a cop, isn't it? And you have been trained by modern popular culture to normalize or otherwise excuse that kind of behavior.

Oh, calm down.

When you say someone admitted something, people tend to take that as the person actually admitted it, rather than what seems to be the case: her statements led to a reasonable conclusion.

I maintain a healthy skepticism about any murder, cop or otherwise.

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Yep. Gotta have a healthy distrust of the government, and its law enforcement apparatus IMO. Something I don't think JLN or Brick have.

I've made far more posts about police misconduct than you have.

When someone is an accessory to the murder of a cop it's ok to think that she was rightfully convicted of murder. What you are doing is no better than the "good guys on both sides" stuff.

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