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So she never admitted it?

I think it's obvious she was holding the ammo and did take part and the conviction was right but why say she admitted it if she didnt?


Oh Jesus Christ, do we really have to argue about whether the lack of a denial and inability to explain the presence of the ammunition is an admission that it was present in the first place? Do I have to go find the transcript of the cross somewhere?

Fucking A, you guys really do want to find any reason to doubt this conviction. Why? It's because she was convicted of murdering a cop, isn't it? And you have been trained by modern popular culture to normalize or otherwise excuse that kind of behavior.

You have a very strange idea of modern popular culture.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
So she never admitted it?

I think it's obvious she was holding the ammo and did take part and the conviction was right but why say she admitted it if she didnt?


Oh Jesus Christ, do we really have to argue about whether the lack of a denial and inability to explain the presence of the ammunition is an admission that it was present in the first place? Do I have to go find the transcript of the cross somewhere?

Fucking A, you guys really do want to find any reason to doubt this conviction. Why? It's because she was convicted of murdering a cop, isn't it? And you have been trained by modern popular culture to normalize or otherwise excuse that kind of behavior.


When you say someone admitted something and then quote text that does not show admission, you can expect to be questioned.

I have no idea who this chick is or what she did.

Nobody is excusing murdering anyone.

Go find the transcript or whatever where she admitted whatever the fuck bills and rpb asked about.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
So she never admitted it?

I think it's obvious she was holding the ammo and did take part and the conviction was right but why say she admitted it if she didnt?


Oh Jesus Christ, do we really have to argue about whether the lack of a denial and inability to explain the presence of the ammunition is an admission that it was present in the first place? Do I have to go find the transcript of the cross somewhere?

Fucking A, you guys really do want to find any reason to doubt this conviction. Why? It's because she was convicted of murdering a cop, isn't it? And you have been trained by modern popular culture to normalize or otherwise excuse that kind of behavior.


When you say someone admitted something and then quote text that does not show admission, you can expect to be questioned.


Let me ask you something: How could she have attempted to explain how the ammunition got into her bag if she did not first admit it was there in the first place?

She didn't deny the presence of the ammunition, only failed to explain how it got there. The fact that she possessed the ammunition is an undisputed fact of the case. She didn't even raise it as an issue on appeal.

And yeah, this is totally about trying to excuse the actions of a murderer, most likely because her victim was a police officer.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:21 pm 
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

And yeah, this is totally about trying to excuse the actions of a murderer, most likely because her victim was a police officer.

Your projections are interesting.

Had you said, "she didnt outright admit it but her testimony made it clear" we wouldn't even be having this discussion any more.

Your fault, no one else. I already said...


I think it's obvious she was holding the ammo and did take part and the conviction was right
but why say she admitted it if she didnt


So save the dramatics.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

And yeah, this is totally about trying to excuse the actions of a murderer, most likely because her victim was a police officer.

Your projections are interesting.

Had you said, "she didnt outright admit it but her testimony made it clear" we wouldn't even be having this discussion any more.

Your fault, no one else. I already said...


I think it's obvious she was holding the ammo and did take part and the conviction was right
but why say she admitted it if she didnt


So save the dramatics.


How could she have attempted to explain the presence of t he ammunition in her bag without first (or simultaneously) admitting it was there in the first place? Can you answer this?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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And yeah, this is totally about trying to excuse the actions of a murderer, most likely because her victim was a police officer.

Your projections are interesting.

Had you said, "she didnt outright admit it but her testimony made it clear" we wouldn't even be having this discussion any more.

Your fault, no one else. I already said...


I think it's obvious she was holding the ammo and did take part and the conviction was right
but why say she admitted it if she didnt


So save the dramatics.


How could she have attempted to explain the presence of t he ammunition in her bag without first (or simultaneously) admitting it was there in the first place? Can you answer this?

You posted that she was "unable to explain" how it got there.

That is not "admitting". That is pretty much the opposite of admitting.


I'm sure she was holding it but she never admitted it. She just didn't have a good story. That's not the same as admitting something. I know you know this.


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RPB, I'll ask again, maybe this time you'll answer: How does she attempt to explain the presence of the ammunition without admitting the presence of the ammunition?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
RPB, I'll ask again, maybe this time you'll answer: How does she attempt to explain the presence of the ammunition without admitting the presence of the ammunition?

The existence of the ammo = she was holding it?

So when someone says "I dont know how that got there" that is an admission that it was theirs?

So if I plant a murder weapon in your car and you say you dont know how it got there, then you are admitting the gun is yours?

You can surmise from what you posted that she admits the ammo was found in her bag. There is no admission that she put it there or held it.

Again, this is on you for saying she "admitted" it. Dress it up all you want. She never said "yes, I was holding their ammo"


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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RPB, I'll ask again, maybe this time you'll answer: How does she attempt to explain the presence of the ammunition without admitting the presence of the ammunition?

The existence of the ammo = she was holding it?

So when someone says "I dont know how that got there" that is an admission that it was theirs?

So if I plant a murder weapon in your car and you say you dont know how it got there, then you are admitting the gun is yours?

You can surmise from what you posted that she admits the ammo was found in her bag. There is no admission that she put it there or held it.

Again, this is on you for saying she "admitted" it. Dress it up all you want. She never said "yes, I was holding their ammo"


Ahhh, so now the goalposts have shifted from "she never admitted to having the ammo" to "she never admitted to it being hers". Again, this is without an objection to the prosecution saying the ammo was hers, and without her appeal even mentioning the "true" possessor of the ammunition.

Interesting.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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RPB, I'll ask again, maybe this time you'll answer: How does she attempt to explain the presence of the ammunition without admitting the presence of the ammunition?

The existence of the ammo = she was holding it?

So when someone says "I dont know how that got there" that is an admission that it was theirs?

So if I plant a murder weapon in your car and you say you dont know how it got there, then you are admitting the gun is yours?

You can surmise from what you posted that she admits the ammo was found in her bag. There is no admission that she put it there or held it.

Again, this is on you for saying she "admitted" it. Dress it up all you want. She never said "yes, I was holding their ammo"


Ahhh, so now the goalposts have shifted from "she never admitted to having the ammo" to "she never admitted to it being hers". Again, this is without an objection to the prosecution saying the ammo was hers, and without her appeal even mentioning the "true" possessor of the ammunition.

Interesting.

No, nothing has changed. Here is the undedited post.


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She didn't "help kill a cop", she "killed a cop". If as part of a deadly arson you poured the gasoline but another member of your crew lit the match and started the blaze, YOU killed those people. You don't benefit from any "but for" reasoning when talking about crimes of that nature.

I guess that's fair.

Did she admit to that part? Holding the ammo?


During cross, yeah.



To me and other reasonable people, that indicated she said "yes, I was holding the ammo for them"


Be more precise and use correct terms. Saying she admitted it was incorrect. You made a mistake, its fine.


And Im sorry to disappoint you but I agree it's reasonable to surmise she held the ammo and the conviction was just. I asked about the admitting part because it would make the people who DO try to defend her pretty fucking crazy.


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JLN being pedantic to the point of absurdity? Color me shocked

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JLN being pedantic to the point of absurdity? Color me shocked


Just not black or brown.

Maybe blue.

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JLN being pedantic to the point of absurdity? Color me shocked


Just not black or brown.

Maybe blue.


Orange, baby.


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JLN being pedantic to the point of absurdity? Color me shocked


Let me grab a Lexis Nexis login off you so we can determine whether she admitted to possessing or merely holding ammunition for the weapons her cronies used to murder a police officer with two shots to the head at close range.


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RPB asked if she admitted to holding ammunition.

You said she admitted to it during her cross examination.

JBills said she didn't admit to holding ammunition.

You said JBills was wrong and posted the link to the story in which the writer of the story states that the person conducting the cross got her to, "adnlit that the only identification in her billfold the night of the shooting was that of “Justine Henderson,” but she denied using any of a long list of aliases read by Mr. Barone."

Nowhere in there was there an "admission" in the sense the RPB was asking about.

If anyone is moving the goalposts regarding the meaning of the word "admission" it is you.

I don't have a login to Lexis. Come on down to the law library like the rest of us cretins.

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So did JLN ever admit there was no admission?

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Colin Kaepernick has admitted to protesting people getting irrationally angry about things?

Again, projecting Kaepernick's protest onto anything and everything—most usually via "THIS is why he's protesting"—gets absurd rather quickly.


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Colin Kaepernick has admitted to protesting people getting irrationally angry about things?

Again, projecting Kaepernick's protest onto anything and everything—most usually via "THIS is why he's protesting"—gets absurd rather quickly.

I'm just trying to trigger you.

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Guys that don't know exactly what they're protesting, but protesting anyway and then talking about why they are protesting say stupid shit like this. This is stupid.


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So do you think this wasn't a 100% PR stunt?


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Gotta agree with Matt and IMU here.

Pence is a boob and his stunt failed. Except with his base.

Eric Reed has been kneeling since the beginning.

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So do you think this wasn't a 100% PR stunt?


Of course it was a PR stunt. A PR stunt is not "systemic oppression". "Systemic oppression" looks nothing like someone walking out of a stadium. To address it as such is fucking lunacy.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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So do you think this wasn't a 100% PR stunt?


Of course it was a PR stunt. A PR stunt is not "systemic oppression". "Systemic oppression" looks nothing like someone walking out of a stadium. To address it as such is fucking lunacy.

The second highest office of the United States walking out during a protest about oppression in order to show how little he cares about it would be the very definition of systemic oppression. He represents the system...and him walking out is him giving his tacit approval for continued oppression.

How are you this clueless? Who do you hope will actually listen to anything you have to say if you started a podcast? I'd think you're going after the ignorant alt-right crowd but I'm fairly sure they would see through your bullshit.

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IMU wrote:
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Peoria Matt wrote:
So do you think this wasn't a 100% PR stunt?


Of course it was a PR stunt. A PR stunt is not "systemic oppression". "Systemic oppression" looks nothing like someone walking out of a stadium. To address it as such is fucking lunacy.

The second highest office of the United States walking out during a protest about oppression in order to show how little he cares about it would be the very definition of systemic oppression. He represents the system...and him walking out is him giving his tacit approval for continued oppression.


What exactly is oppressive about leaving after the national anthem (and the protest during it) has concluded? Here is the definition of oppression:

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a :unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power

b :something that oppresses especially in being an unjust or excessive exercise of power


Is Mike Pence leaving a football game an unjust or cruel exercise of his authority?

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I'd say cops shooting unarmed blacks and no one doing anything about it is a pretty cruel exercise of authority.

The government should be accountable for ensuring the rights of all of its people. It is failing. Pence is failing. Trump is failing.

But hey, you [Edit] are thriving.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Colin Kaepernick has admitted to protesting people getting irrationally angry about things?

Again, projecting Kaepernick's protest onto anything and everything—most usually via "THIS is why he's protesting"—gets absurd rather quickly.


Are you certain you know what this word means?

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SpiralStairs wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Colin Kaepernick has admitted to protesting people getting irrationally angry about things?

Again, projecting Kaepernick's protest onto anything and everything—most usually via "THIS is why he's protesting"—gets absurd rather quickly.


Are you certain you know what this word means?


That was the joke, nobody caught it at the time. Or they did, and it was too lame to comment on. Either way, yeah.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:22 pm 
Brandon Fucking Weeden took live snaps today. You can stop pretending this is because Kaep isn't good enough now.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Colin Kaepernick has admitted to protesting people getting irrationally angry about things?

Again, projecting Kaepernick's protest onto anything and everything—most usually via "THIS is why he's protesting"—gets absurd rather quickly.


Are you certain you know what this word means?


That was the joke, nobody caught it at the time. Or they did, and it was too lame to comment on. Either way, yeah.


I only ask because you had some trouble with it last time.

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