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His dad was a bank robber and psychopath per FBI in early 70s. so there may be some genetic issues there.

I agree. Psych profiles of all Americans based on family history is required now.


It only took 64 years for the genetic issues to express themselves. I am sure he was kind to animals in his youth.

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His dad was a bank robber and psychopath per FBI in early 70s. so there may be some genetic issues there.

I agree. Psych profiles of all Americans based on family history is required now.

Maybe we dont let Assata Shakur's godson have guns and Pac is still alive.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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His dad was a bank robber and psychopath per FBI in early 70s. so there may be some genetic issues there.

I agree. Psych profiles of all Americans based on family history is required now.

Maybe we dont let Assata Shakur's godson have guns and Pac is still alive.
Exactly.

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Keith Olbermann: Trump is literally a Nazi!

also Keith Olbermann: Only the government should have guns

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Keith Olbermann: Trump is literally a Nazi!

also Keith Olbermann: Only the government should have guns

Also Keith Olbermann: The 1899 Cleveland Spiders were atrocious!


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I get that mental have evaluations wouldn't have stopped this guy but maybe it stops someone else. Also you should not legally be allowed to buy that many rifles. No one needs to be able to go into a store and buy that many. Honestly I've yet to see a good reason why rifles are sold to the general public anyways. Don't say the reason of someone buying that amount of watches or cars or that shit. It's not the same thing. I am 100% in favor of people having guns, not assault rifles though.

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I get that mental have evaluations wouldn't have stopped this guy but maybe it stops someone else. Also you should not legally be allowed to buy that many rifles. No one needs to be able to go into a store and buy that many. Honestly I've yet to see a good reason why rifles are sold to the general public anyways. Don't say the reason of someone buying that amount of watches or cars or that shit. It's not the same thing. I am 100% in favor of people having guns, not assault rifles though.

Because those are the weapons one would use to push back against tyrants. Handguns would do dick for that. You can make a stronger argument against handguns. Handguns are not the weapon you would resist the state with, rifles are.

Read Federalist #46

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa46.htm

It's pretty clear Mr. Madison wanted an armed populace with enough arms to resist a national government's reach if it came to that. The Constitution was only passed because of the Bill of Rights and he clearly makes the case that an armed populace will keep government in check. That is why the right to bear arms was enshrined within those 1st 10 Amendments.

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I get that mental have evaluations wouldn't have stopped this guy but maybe it stops someone else. Also you should not legally be allowed to buy that many rifles. No one needs to be able to go into a store and buy that many. Honestly I've yet to see a good reason why rifles are sold to the general public anyways. Don't say the reason of someone buying that amount of watches or cars or that shit. It's not the same thing. I am 100% in favor of people having guns, not assault rifles though.
The problem is that "mental evaluations" require action that takes away the rights of someone even who has done nothing but show a higher chance of doing bad things. What is the way we go about it? If you are diagnosed with depression do we lock you in a hospital-prison until you aren't depressed? If a child hurts an animal do we project they may be violent as an adult and treat them accordingly?

We could require a yearly mental exam for every American but what do you do with the results? Do we take action on people deemed to be a potential risk?

We used to have psych hospitals filled with people, and many of them were there for very weak reasons.

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I get that mental have evaluations wouldn't have stopped this guy but maybe it stops someone else. Also you should not legally be allowed to buy that many rifles. No one needs to be able to go into a store and buy that many. Honestly I've yet to see a good reason why rifles are sold to the general public anyways. Don't say the reason of someone buying that amount of watches or cars or that shit. It's not the same thing. I am 100% in favor of people having guns, not assault rifles though.

Because those are the weapons one would use to push back against tyrants. Handguns would do dick for that. You can make a stronger argument against handguns. Handguns are not the weapon you would resist the state with, rifles are.

Read Federalist #46

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa46.htm

It's pretty clear Mr. Madison wanted an armed populace with enough arms to resist a national government's reach if it came to that. The Constitution was only passed because of the Bill of Rights and he clearly makes the case that an armed populace will keep government in check. That is why the right to bear arms was enshrined within those 1st 10 Amendments.




If the government wants to take your guns, they are going to take your guns. Assault rifles of not.

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I believe in one of his private letters, Madison explicitly refers to the future invention of AR-15s and how they would serve as the single most important tool for combating tyranny.


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Chris_in_joliet wrote:
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Chris_in_joliet wrote:
I get that mental have evaluations wouldn't have stopped this guy but maybe it stops someone else. Also you should not legally be allowed to buy that many rifles. No one needs to be able to go into a store and buy that many. Honestly I've yet to see a good reason why rifles are sold to the general public anyways. Don't say the reason of someone buying that amount of watches or cars or that shit. It's not the same thing. I am 100% in favor of people having guns, not assault rifles though.

Because those are the weapons one would use to push back against tyrants. Handguns would do dick for that. You can make a stronger argument against handguns. Handguns are not the weapon you would resist the state with, rifles are.

Read Federalist #46

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa46.htm

It's pretty clear Mr. Madison wanted an armed populace with enough arms to resist a national government's reach if it came to that. The Constitution was only passed because of the Bill of Rights and he clearly makes the case that an armed populace will keep government in check. That is why the right to bear arms was enshrined within those 1st 10 Amendments.




If the government wants to take your guns, they are going to take your guns. Assault rifles of not.


If I were a jackbooted government thug, I'd think twice about trying to take Darkside's guns.

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Chris_in_joliet wrote:
I get that mental have evaluations wouldn't have stopped this guy but maybe it stops someone else. Also you should not legally be allowed to buy that many rifles. No one needs to be able to go into a store and buy that many. Honestly I've yet to see a good reason why rifles are sold to the general public anyways. Don't say the reason of someone buying that amount of watches or cars or that shit. It's not the same thing. I am 100% in favor of people having guns, not assault rifles though.
The problem is that "mental evaluations" require action that takes away the rights of someone even who has done nothing but show a higher chance of doing bad things. What is the way we go about it? If you are diagnosed with depression do we lock you in a hospital-prison until you aren't depressed? If a child hurts an animal do we project they may be violent as an adult and treat them accordingly?

We could require a yearly mental exam for every American but what do you do with the results? Do we take action on people deemed to be a potential risk?

We used to have psych hospitals filled with people, and many of them were there for very weak reasons.


Better mental health screening won't work, for all of the reasons Brick raises above. Think about all the grey area surrounding what classifies as a mental illness. Couple that with subjectivity and differences of opinion among psychologists and you've got entirely too much variance to come up with anything operational.


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I believe in one of his private letters, Madison explicitly refers to the future invention of AR-15s and how they would serve as the single most important tool for combating tyranny.


So you want the citizens to fight back with muskets against an overreaching government that has rocket launchers?

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Chris_in_joliet wrote:
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Chris_in_joliet wrote:
I get that mental have evaluations wouldn't have stopped this guy but maybe it stops someone else. Also you should not legally be allowed to buy that many rifles. No one needs to be able to go into a store and buy that many. Honestly I've yet to see a good reason why rifles are sold to the general public anyways. Don't say the reason of someone buying that amount of watches or cars or that shit. It's not the same thing. I am 100% in favor of people having guns, not assault rifles though.

Because those are the weapons one would use to push back against tyrants. Handguns would do dick for that. You can make a stronger argument against handguns. Handguns are not the weapon you would resist the state with, rifles are.

Read Federalist #46

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa46.htm

It's pretty clear Mr. Madison wanted an armed populace with enough arms to resist a national government's reach if it came to that. The Constitution was only passed because of the Bill of Rights and he clearly makes the case that an armed populace will keep government in check. That is why the right to bear arms was enshrined within those 1st 10 Amendments.




If the government wants to take your guns, they are going to take your guns. Assault rifles of not.

...that reminds me, a certain Thomas Gage once tried to disarm some Americans living in Concord. That went over well for Mr. Gage.

Lest we forget how the Revolution started.

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I believe in one of his private letters, Madison explicitly refers to the future invention of AR-15s and how they would serve as the single most important tool for combating tyranny.


So you want the citizens to fight back with muskets against an overreaching government that has rocket launchers?
We need to ban these high powered guns because they are nearly impossible to stop from mass casualties but these guns aren't powerful enough to put up any resistance to a federal government that has turned on the people!

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
I believe in one of his private letters, Madison explicitly refers to the future invention of AR-15s and how they would serve as the single most important tool for combating tyranny.


So you want the citizens to fight back with muskets against an overreaching government that has rocket launchers?

No I think we should make it easier to acquire rocket launchers of course.


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We need to ban these high powered guns because they are nearly impossible to stop from mass casualties but these guns aren't powerful enough to put up any resistance to a federal government that has turned on the people!

Yes, they slot right in the middle there.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
I believe in one of his private letters, Madison explicitly refers to the future invention of AR-15s and how they would serve as the single most important tool for combating tyranny.


So you want the citizens to fight back with muskets against an overreaching government that has rocket launchers?
We need to ban these high powered guns because they are nearly impossible to stop from mass casualties but these guns aren't powerful enough to put up any resistance to a federal government that has turned on the people!

It's safe to say that an entrenched people with small arms can create problems for even the best militaries on earth. I'd say the last 50 years of asymmetrical warfare have proven this to be true. Case in point, we have spent 16 years in Afghanistan and have accomplished absolutely nothing against an insurgency with small arms.

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ZephMarshack wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
I believe in one of his private letters, Madison explicitly refers to the future invention of AR-15s and how they would serve as the single most important tool for combating tyranny.


So you want the citizens to fight back with muskets against an overreaching government that has rocket launchers?

No I think we should make it easier to acquire rocket launchers of course.


Well, I don't know that that's the answer or not, but you seem to be suggesting that there will never again be a need for citizens to take up arms against government in the U.S., while in other conversations you seem very concerned about the Trump administration.

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I've got $100 that says the government successfully defeats Ogie and Darkside.


I'm pretty sure William Westmoreland lost a similar bet in Vietnam.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I've got $100 that says the government successfully defeats Ogie and Darkside.


I'm pretty sure William Westmoreland lost a similar bet in Vietnam.

and we are losing a current one in Afghanistan, which we keep idiotically recommitting to. The Taliban has no tanks, aircraft, etc. but they will certainly outlast us there.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I've got $100 that says the government successfully defeats Ogie and Darkside.


I'm pretty sure William Westmoreland lost a similar bet in Vietnam.

That's okay. If I lose, I'll think of it as $100 spent on entertainment.

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I've got $100 that says the government successfully defeats Ogie and Darkside.


I'm pretty sure William Westmoreland lost a similar bet in Vietnam.

and we are losing a current one in Afghanistan, which we keep idiotically recommitting to. The Taliban has no tanks, aircraft, etc. but they will certainly outlast us there.

I thought we're just baby sitting poppy fields?

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I've got $100 that says the government successfully defeats Ogie and Darkside. Any takers?

Super smart thought by imu.
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
I believe in one of his private letters, Madison explicitly refers to the future invention of AR-15s and how they would serve as the single most important tool for combating tyranny.


So you want the citizens to fight back with muskets against an overreaching government that has rocket launchers?
We need to ban these high powered guns because they are nearly impossible to stop from mass casualties but these guns aren't powerful enough to put up any resistance to a federal government that has turned on the people!

It's safe to say that an entrenched people with small arms can create problems for even the best militaries on earth. I'd say the last 50 years of asymmetrical warfare have proven this to be true. Case in point, we have spent 16 years in Afghanistan and have accomplished absolutely nothing against an insurgency with small arms.


People who live in mud huts and shit in holes have fought the militaries of two superpowers and at worst obtained a draw.

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