I was thinking about doing a tournament of crazy, but really didn't care enough. But Ogie would definitely have been a #1 seed.

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Because I like B-Mac as a poster and as a man? That stings. What's popular isn't always right and what's right isn't always popular.

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GO BEARS!!!

There is A LOT of this going on recently. Posters trying to get other posters to not like a guy because of some weird (possibly sexual?) obsession.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Are you too fucking stupid to not know what 3D printing is vs. 3D facial recognition technology? Just asking

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Again, who is deeming this out of control other than yourself?

Also, not for nothing, regardless of how in control or out of control you think the US government is I'd take it over about 99% of the prior governments where the King, or Ruler was literally thought of as a {God}, could have someone killed for no reason at all, there were no private property rights to speak of, etc. etc.

So if you think today's governments are to powerful and out of control either: you have no understanding of history, are stupid, or are a liar. Take your pick

Are they not both 3D technologies?

The TSA? Fuck it yank the TSA and just let anyone walk on a plane with whatever.

Pretty sure the POTUS can kill anyone he wants with no reason or trial. See our drone program if you are confused on this matter.

If all of these outright abuses of power are not troubling to you, then that's fine. You can continue pretending everything is fine as we drift deeper and deeper into the abyss towards an Orwellian society.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Have security, but I think we can do without the pedophiles of the world feeling up little kids before they board a flight.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Why do you consider kids a non-threat? They can be used as mules.

I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

I think we're all realizing that Ogie is a loon constantly paranoid of Big Brother. He also has never used a valet service and pulls the sim card out of his cell phone when he isn't currently using it.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Pretty sure you are wrong

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-11-30/ ... ed-killing

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Still waiting for your thoughts on the above.

I wonder if he "looses his shit" if the clerk ever asks for his phone/email at the store?

Whether you agree with that program or not, it's a tremendous stretch to assume that because of that program the President can legally shoot the Governor of Maine and there would be no legal repercussions whatsoever.

So your quote was the President can "kill anyone anywhere" is just more of the bullshit you are peddling around here.

Please point out where in the Constitution it is stated that no state may leave the union. Granted, most states that choose to do so would be foolish due to the benefits they gain, but once again, self determination is a human right.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

He's an Israeli spy. Very smart man

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GO BEARS!!!

You're wondering if he gets diarrhea if that happens?

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
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Our government has made it clear they can extradjudicially kill someone without trial. I'm pretty sure that is not legal under any standing and yes it's a slippery slope. We aren't there yet, but we are drifting towards the day where such a killing occurs in the US. Remember when Rand Paul filibustered over the drone program, he could not get a clear answer if such killings would be outlawed within US borders.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

If the Founders wanted to let states leave the Union, don't you think they would have put a mechanism in the constitution to allow the states to leave?

I think our founders, especially given the content of the Federalist Papers, envisioned it was possible the government they were constructing could grow too large one day. They believed that the people should have a mechanism to overthrow such a government and change the paradigm they were constructing. Federalist #46 once again believes the people armed within a state should be allowed to repel a Federal army should a Federal government grow tyrannical

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I have a feeling that you're probably a big conspiracy theory guy. Amiright?

Conspiracy theories are the currency of the weak minded. Rather than do hard analysis, they can just rely on conspiracy theory to solve everything.

A close second to weak thinking is the "slippery slope" crowd. It's taking a concept governed by science, objects in motion will stay in motion, gravity, friction, etc. and applying it to something that is completely controlled by man. It shows a fundamental lack of distinction between the laws of science, and the laws of man.

Man can marry woman, man can marry man, slippery slope leads to the theory that man can marry 3 pigs, 4 goats, and a duck. It's just more of your bullshit, for the laws of man, we can stop wherever we want for any reason, theory, policy, goal, etc. The slippery slope is for people who don't want to have to really analyze an issue and understand it fully.

Other than the statement in bold, you disagree with this Hatchet?

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I'm not the biggest conspiracy guy as I ultimately believe our government is in many ways too incompetent to pull off the conspiracies they are accused of. You can read my comments in 9/11 and Kennedy assassination threads as I don't really buy into the conspiracy theories of either.

As for the erosion of our freedoms by the growth of government, a slippery slope is an apt analogy. The fact that electronic surveillance programs, which should require a warrant, have grown into bulk collection of data (as exposed by a true patriot, Edward Snowden) demonstrates this fact well.

Heck, even wars demonstrate this. We have gone from requiring a declaration of war (as mandated in the Constitution) to the War Powers Act where the President can start bombing a place without the consent of Congress and keep war going for months. Even when Congress doesn't vote on it, they don't have the courage to stop it.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

A couple things here:

1. You realize that the federalist papers don't speak for all of the founders? You understand this right? I don't think you do.
2. If they believed that the government would grow too large one day, or too controlling, this is even more support for my position that if the founders wanted the states to be able to leave the union, they would have designed something in the constitution to allow them to.
3. Again, we are back to your violent mindset in which the only way to oppose tyranny is by violence.

So we are still back to the original question, if Illinois wants to leave the Union, they should just use the processes embedded in the constitution correct? Yes or No?

All technology is 3D.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

1: They were written by key framers though and framers intent becomes important in interpretation. Remember, Madison authored the Bill of Rights, which is where the 2nd Amendment falls upon. Ditto for other rights granted by the 1st 10 Amendments

2: They only state how states can enter the union. Given their own separation from Britain and the fact they don't preclude states from leaving, it is reasonable to presume they would honor self determination. Especially when you look at the philosophies of the framers. If an amendment is needed to create a structure, then I am 100% behind that amendment.

3: You don't ask a tyrant permission for freedom. That never goes over well or accomplishes anything. You can try and make that your 1st step, but what do you do when you are not granted freedom?

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Fuck you, bitch!

So I guess you believe that one day a man will be able to legally marry a sheep in the USA? That's the slope we are on for marital rights...

Your argument/analogy is for the weak minded. It's a lot easier to say that because we droned on US citizen who was fighting our country in a foreign country that the logical conclusion is the Pres can shoot me in the head for fun. It's a weak minded argument. The more difficult argument is, was the original action just, are there considerations that would make it more or less just, if the citizenry deems it unjust what are there mechanisms to resist, what redress do they have individually or through their elected officials, is it just during war, is it just during peace, what level of standard should be applied to such an action if it is deemed just, should it be just in any situation, what are the international consequences of such action, what safeguards should be made surrounding the action if deemed just, etc.

Keep believing you are a deep thinker though...