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Neoliberals again blaming anyone but themselves for this. "I-i-its Breitbart! And Milo! They made people Nazi's". Nah, it was the left. When it became part and parcel of the Democratic Party's platform to villainize men and white people they invited the inverse opinion into the fray. And when the left excused rioting and terror attacks by BLM and gave blanket amnesty to Islam for weekly attacks in Europe it raised the stakes even higher.


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Fuck me the left can't meme.

I agree with some of America's points. The left needs to drop the unconditional love for Islam.



If there was such a love for Islam here there would be more Muslims in the country. Doesn't the constitution state that people have a right to practice whatever religion that they choose to practice? We sure are tolerant of others aren't we? That is until we aren't of course.


Because the left are hypocrites when it comes to Islam. They should hate a lot of Muslim beliefs as much as anyone. Especially with the way they treat women and gays. Yet, the left hides under the façade of moral and cultural relativism. If they really loved it so much, like you said, why don't more convert in this country?

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The DNC chair, Keith Ellison, is literally a Muslim. Proud of it. He was sworn in on the Quran, a book that is used today to justify behavior that is against EVERYTHING our society deems acceptable. He called for Imams to be more political. He hates Jews a whole lot more than any of those Charlottesville Nazi's do.

So yea, until you can show me a Republican equivalent I'm sticking by what I said. The leader of the Democratic party is a card carrying proud Muslim and won't deny it. Can you make the same statement about any Republican office holder in relations to white supremacy?


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Ellison is not in fact the DNC chair and his campaign for that position was actively undermined and defeated by the establishment of the party. Try again.


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The DNC chair, Keith Ellison, is literally a Muslim. Proud of it. He was sworn in on the Quran, a book that is used today to justify behavior that is against EVERYTHING our society deems acceptable. He called for Imams to be more political. He hates Jews a whole lot more than any of those Charlottesville Nazi's do.

So yea, until you can show me a Republican equivalent I'm sticking by what I said. The leader of the Democratic party is a card carrying proud Muslim and won't deny it. Can you make the same statement about any Republican office holder in relations to white supremacy?


Can you find a statement where Ellison explicitly states that he hates Jews?

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Sorry, deputy chair. Still disgusting.


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Michael Olenick, a Jewish student who clashed with Ellison and who was the opinions editor at the [Minnesota Daily, the student newspaper], recalled Ellison maintaining that an oppressed group could not be racist toward Jews because Jews were themselves oppressors. “European white Jews are trying to oppress minorities all over the world,” Olenick remembers Ellison arguing. “Keith would go on all the time about ‘Jewish slave traders.'” Another Jewish student active in progressive politics recalled Ellison’s incredulous response to the controversy over Zionism. “What are you afraid of?” Ellison asked. “Do you think black nationalists are gonna get power and hurt Jews?”


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Haha, long time keith.

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It's kind of hard to get me wrapped around the axle about some fringe right wingers who see (((them))) everywhere, when the deputy chair of the DNC actually loathes Jews.

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Haha, long time keith.


There is a lot of prejudice being spewed around this joint and it isn't being spewed by me. There are lot of hypocrites and frauds who populate this place. It's funny how people on here have no problem promoting stereotypes about others yet cry foul when the charge is levied against them. The same people that vehemently argue that all whites aren't racist are the same damn hypocrites that continuously claim that all Muslims are terrorists. Every Muslim lives and breathes to wipe out America or the story goes. Meanwhile we are continuously blowing up Muslim countries and waging war. I know its a repetitive point but so is the All Muslims are evil bullshit. None of it has in basis in fact and the shit is dangerous to be honest. It is right wing propaganda cloaked in bullshit nativism. It does harm to this country because it is patently false.

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I'm trying to score this one at home. Do nazi's hate jews or muslims more?

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I would rather have Trump or one of his bots in office vs someone like Ellison.


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That post when your cornered and start pointing fingers in all directions.

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It's kind of hard to get me wrapped around the axle about some fringe right wingers who see (((them))) everywhere, when the deputy chair of the DNC actually loathes Jews.

Yes, Steve Bannon is a completely fringe figure in American politics and the evidence about his views scarcely amounts to much compared to Ellison.


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While it is true that the far left has a strange love affair with Islam, that's not really a trait of the mainstream Democrats. Also, those same mainstream Democrats spent all of 2016 conspiring against a moderate social democrat so they could win wealthy suburbanites, while the Republicans have been overrun by teabaggers and Donald Trump. The window of acceptable political discourse has moved rightward for years.


So only SOME of the Dems believe this while ALL the Republicans believe that! :lol:

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For some reason whenever I think of the King guy from Iowa I tend to think "Mainstream Republican". Same with that Judge Moore clown from Alabama and that kook Gov from Maine.

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I'm trying to score this one at home. Do nazi's hate jews or muslims more?



Nazi's. They're still getting mileage off the single greatest performance in anti-semetic history and that was 70 years ago. They're like the Wilt Chamberlains of anti-semetism.

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It's kind of hard to get me wrapped around the axle about some fringe right wingers who see (((them))) everywhere, when the deputy chair of the DNC actually loathes Jews.

Yes, Steve Bannon is a completely fringe figure in American politics and the evidence about his views scarcely amounts to much compared to Ellison.


Steve Bannon is 1. Out of office and 2. Not going around calling out journalists with ((())) or calling Shaun King Talcum X. That would be the fringe.

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It's kind of hard to get me wrapped around the axle about some fringe right wingers who see (((them))) everywhere, when the deputy chair of the DNC actually loathes Jews.

Yes, Steve Bannon is a completely fringe figure in American politics and the evidence about his views scarcely amounts to much compared to Ellison.


Steve Gannon is 1. Out of office and 2. Not going around calling out journalists with ((())) or calling Shaun King Talcum X. That would be the fringe.



2 of the 3 people I just id'd are in office and as is message board policy they will be ignored. Moore will probably be elected too.

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The same people that vehemently argue that all whites aren't racist are the same damn hypocrites that continuously claim that all Muslims are terrorists.


First of all, I have never seen anyone here- or really anyone anywhere- claim that "all Muslims are terrorists." Secondly, do you not understand the difference between an immutable quality like skin color and a philosophy that one chooses to follow?

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The same people that vehemently argue that all whites aren't racist are the same damn hypocrites that continuously claim that all Muslims are terrorists.


First of all, I have never seen anyone here- or really anyone anywhere- claim that "all Muslims are terrorists." Secondly, do you not understand the difference between an immutable quality like skin color and a philosophy that one chooses to follow?



You choose to ignore the customary generalizations that flow regarding Muslims around here. You champion the cause of those that choose to never make a distinction. WYC?

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It's kind of hard to get me wrapped around the axle about some fringe right wingers who see (((them))) everywhere, when the deputy chair of the DNC actually loathes Jews.

Yes, Steve Bannon is a completely fringe figure in American politics and the evidence about his views scarcely amounts to much compared to Ellison.


Steve Gannon is 1. Out of office and 2. Not going around calling out journalists with ((())) or calling Shaun King Talcum X. That would be the fringe.

The entire article CH linked to is about how Bannon et. al. explicitly encouraged Milo to appeal to the segment of the population that does do 2 and normalize those views.

Also if engaging in the types of acts of 2 is what is required to actually be labeled anti-Semitic, then how exactly did you come to the conclusion that Ellison loathes Jews? I don't believe I've ever seen him Tweet anything like that. Why is the evidential standard to be judged anti-Semitic seemingly so high for Bannon but so low for Ellison?


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The same people that vehemently argue that all whites aren't racist are the same damn hypocrites that continuously claim that all Muslims are terrorists.


First of all, I have never seen anyone here- or really anyone anywhere- claim that "all Muslims are terrorists." Secondly, do you not understand the difference between an immutable quality like skin color and a philosophy that one chooses to follow?



You choose to ignore the customary generalizations that flow regarding Muslims around here. You champion the cause of those that choose to never make a distinction. WYC?


You didn't answer my question, so I will assume you don't understand the difference.

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The same people that vehemently argue that all whites aren't racist are the same damn hypocrites that continuously claim that all Muslims are terrorists.


First of all, I have never seen anyone here- or really anyone anywhere- claim that "all Muslims are terrorists." Secondly, do you not understand the difference between an immutable quality like skin color and a philosophy that one chooses to follow?



The constitution says that we should be tolerant of others beliefs yet that only applies to certain groups apparently.

I can make distinction between actions and beliefs. You can't.

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The same people that vehemently argue that all whites aren't racist are the same damn hypocrites that continuously claim that all Muslims are terrorists.


First of all, I have never seen anyone here- or really anyone anywhere- claim that "all Muslims are terrorists." Secondly, do you not understand the difference between an immutable quality like skin color and a philosophy that one chooses to follow?



The constitution says that we should be tolerant of others beliefs yet that only applies to certain groups apparently.

I can make distinction between actions and beliefs. You can't.



The Constitution doesn't say anything like that. Do you really have a doctorate in history? There are plenty of beliefs that you aren't tolerant of, and for good reason.

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The constitution says that we should be tolerant of others beliefs...


Oh...oh my god.


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The constitution says that we should be tolerant of others beliefs...


Oh...oh my god.


Just not belief in the 2nd amendment.

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The constitution says that we should be tolerant of others beliefs yet that only applies to certain groups apparently.

I can make distinction between actions and beliefs. You can't.


.....ummmm.... :shock:

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The constitution says that we should be tolerant of others beliefs...


Oh...oh my god.

Yeah, that's bad.

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The same people that vehemently argue that all whites aren't racist are the same damn hypocrites that continuously claim that all Muslims are terrorists.


First of all, I have never seen anyone here- or really anyone anywhere- claim that "all Muslims are terrorists." Secondly, do you not understand the difference between an immutable quality like skin color and a philosophy that one chooses to follow?



The constitution says that we should be tolerant of others beliefs yet that only applies to certain groups apparently.

I can make distinction between actions and beliefs. You can't.



The Constitution doesn't say anything like that. Do you really have a doctorate in history? There are plenty of beliefs that you aren't tolerant of, and for good reason.


There is a clause regarding religious freedoms in case I am wrong. We can choose to debate whether that constitutes tolerance or not. I don't because I know what freedom implies.

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It's kind of hard to get me wrapped around the axle about some fringe right wingers who see (((them))) everywhere, when the deputy chair of the DNC actually loathes Jews.

Yes, Steve Bannon is a completely fringe figure in American politics and the evidence about his views scarcely amounts to much compared to Ellison.


Steve Gannon is 1. Out of office and 2. Not going around calling out journalists with ((())) or calling Shaun King Talcum X. That would be the fringe.

The entire article CH linked to is about how Bannon et. al. explicitly encouraged Milo to appeal to the segment of the population that does do 2 and normalize those views.

Also if engaging in the types of acts of 2 is what is required to actually be labeled anti-Semitic, then how exactly did you come to the conclusion that Ellison loathes Jews? I don't believe I've ever seen him Tweet anything like that. Why is the evidential standard to be judged anti-Semitic seemingly so high for Bannon but so low for Ellison?


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It's kind of hard to get me wrapped around the axle about some fringe right wingers who see (((them))) everywhere, when the deputy chair of the DNC actually loathes Jews.

Yes, Steve Bannon is a completely fringe figure in American politics and the evidence about his views scarcely amounts to much compared to Ellison.


Steve Gannon is 1. Out of office and 2. Not going around calling out journalists with ((())) or calling Shaun King Talcum X. That would be the fringe.

The entire article CH linked to is about how Bannon et. al. explicitly encouraged Milo to appeal to the segment of the population that does do 2 and normalize those views.

Also if engaging in the types of acts of 2 is what is required to actually be labeled anti-Semitic, then how exactly did you come to the conclusion that Ellison loathes Jews? I don't believe I've ever seen him Tweet anything like that. Why is the evidential standard to be judged anti-Semitic seemingly so high for Bannon but so low for Ellison?


I trust Buzzfeed like I trust off shore realty below sea level. The infamous Russian piss video dossier debacle being one reason why.

Second I agree its likely Bannon is anti Semitic, but there isn't the history of him being openly hostile towards Jews like Ellison. Now in his personal life he may don SS garb but so far no one has gone public.

The evidential standard is the same. There is just more against Ellison.

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