I disagree.. Our foreign policy is dogshit and our blind loyalty to Israel is disgusting. The middle east would have been living in it's backwards ways ahile never bothering us or Europe if we never whacked that hornets nest.

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For the record this is my original point. I stated that we wouldn't give a fuck if we didn't need Middle Eastern oil. You focused on Saudi Arabia. I didn't. I stated Middle Eastern oil. You are the latest of a number of people that continuously misrepresent what someone says. You stating that we don't need Saudi Arabian oil doesn't make it such either. That wasn't my point either.

I provided a source that contained information on the top 10 countries in terms oil reserves. You ignored it. Not surprising either. In the past 35 years the U.S. has engaged in military operations that involve 5 of them (All Middle Eastern by the way) yet you state that we don't need their oil. You look foolish.

This post is for Seacrest not America.

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I just provided my original point. You misrepresented it but it's not surprising though.

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This was original point that I responded to.






A list of your insults in just the last page.

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Wow seacrest giving ltg a beatdown

You guys know there are some illegal religious practices and beliefs in this country?

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Re-posting what he said is a beat down!

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Like priests molesting children?

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Yeah and polygamy and Satanism. Plus a lot of Rastafarianism.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I haven't followed much of the thread, but Muslims are essentially the 21st century Nazis. Plus hatred of Israel is a left-wing position. Why would Milo be a Nazi if he is a Jew?

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God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.

Do you really think that is a "religious practice"?

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I mean it not exactly required but it is widespread.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Still?

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So what ?
So you concede these descriptions of Muslims are correct?

If so, why the defense ?

Islam is fucking terrible (if you say so ), but the US Americans is even more worser cuz OIL.
There(clap)You(clap)Have(clap)It(clap).

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Just chillin' like Garret Quillin.

Hatred of Israel is not a left wing position. Saying we shouldn't center our foreign ppl i around felatiating Isreal is.

I defend them because I understand the history of U.S. Foreign policy in their country. I also believe that it is a political and not a religious issue. We are currently bombing the hell out of them and it appears that few are bothered by it. Drive a van into someone in a far away land and it's breaking news. blow a baby up and nary a peep.

I defend them because of the non stop propaganda regarding Muslims wanting to kill us. Some do most don't. They don't live to kill Americans and only became interested after decades of the United States intervening in their affairs. We're still doing it too yet somehow Propagandists have attempted to convince everyone that they are out to get us. They say it even as we occupy their countries.

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I don't get it....US foreign policy causes Saudi Arabia to stone women to death for adultery? Or is the religion they practice, which forms the base of things like the only-recently-lifted ban on women driving, and other rampant subjugation of females, not "true" Islam?

Just want to get this picture bumped.

Especially since no other answers were given to my questions

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

We don't care about their treatment of women and never have. There are countries that have participated in genocidal attacks and we haven't lifted a finger. We became interested in the Middle East because of the oil. We could care less about their way of life.

Saudi Arabia is one of the worst offenders yet somehow someway they are welcomed as a staunch ally. How do you reconcile that?

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Yes.

Except I'm not talking about the hypocrisy in our foreign policy, I'm asking how you view the atrocities and oppression and subjugation rampant in Islamic nations as the fault of US foreign policy, when you said right here:



And I want to know what aspect of US foreign policy is responsible for SA stoning women to death for adultery and not allowing them to own property or appear on their own behalf in court? As a follow-up to that question, I'd like to know whether the religion on which these policies are based is the religion of Islam.

I meant region and not country. You cannot get past the hypocrisy that's the point. We wouldn't align our self with SAUDI Arabia if we were truly concerned about human rights.

I understand that the U.S. became involved in the Middle East only when it became apparent that they had large oil reserves. That's a fact.

It also isn't a responsibility of the U.S. to change their way of life. We aren't much interested in accomplishing that either. That's propaganda. It also doesn't excuse us for intervening in the affairs of their country.

Their treatment of women is reprehensible but it is also the responsibility of their people to change that.

U.S. Foreign policy condones that behavior in Saudi Arabia and they also condoned it in Afghanistan. At one time they agreed with it in Iraq also. Iran was considered fine too at one point in history. We didn't invade Iraq because Saddam mistreated his people either.

When I say defend I'm referencing the history of U.S. intervention in that part of the world as well as the current state of U.S. intervention in that part of the world.

It seems that very few are bothered by the fact that the U.S. has been bombing the hell out of Muslim countries for 15 years. The antipathy that Muslims may feel for Americans is more related to that than something they read about in the Koran. We never examine that because we are far too interested in finding a moral justification that favors us.

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Still not required?
Not sure.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Paging Bootstraps Max.

There are countries in Sub Saharan Africa that have practiced genocide. This country through its control of the United Nations has been loathe to label it as genocide simply because it would necessitate intervention. Spare me the we are just there because of the treatment of women garbage. It's frankly insulting and maybe Seacrest can chime in regarding what an insult happens to be.

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Do you believe that the U.S. intervened in the Middle East because of Islamic treatment of women?

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Well this certainly looks like a lot of words
In record time
I'm very impressed

Islam is totally cool and the USA only cares about oil.

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Just chillin' like Garret Quillin.

There are 2 million Muslims living in this country currently. The vast majority live here peacefully and without incident. Religious zealotry in any form is dangerous and fake morality is worse. This country is outright killing people in that part of the world and MANY of the people that have commented on this are perfectly ok with it since they continuously duck the issue. Also if you believe that the U.S. is going to eradicate Islam with it's bombing campaign you are delusional. It's the fastest growing religion in the world and I don't believe for one second that we are there because we are appalled by religious practices. Right wing spin to justify B.S.

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