No I didn't. I just thought/think some of your arguments are/were odd. Almost like you were debating yourself or trying to prove to the masses that you aren't like "those" blacks who blame whites for everything. What did that get you? You have still been called a racist and an antisemite and now you're having your credentials questioned. Your Cosbyesque counter to your own argument has really worked out for you.

Before this becomes board fact, it should be pointed out the idea that he had anti-Semitic ideas came from his belief that Israel should not exist where it is or anywhere in the Middle East and a refusal to say where it should exist. It was more than fair to think "Wipe Israel off the map" was anti-Semitic.

He has since at least acknowledged that Israel can exist as a country in the Middle East, and amazingly the anti-Semitic talk has lessened!

We can go back and look it up but IIRC it took literally 1 post before JORR felt it was appropriate to throw out the label and I don't recall an exchange similar to the one you had recently.

No I didn't. I just thought/think some of your arguments are/were odd. Almost like you were debating yourself or trying to prove to the masses that you aren't like "those" blacks who blame whites for everything. What did that get you? You have still been called a racist and an antisemite and now you're having your credentials questioned. Your Cosbyesque counter to your own argument has really worked out for you.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Before this becomes board fact, it should be pointed out the idea that he had anti-Semitic ideas came from his belief that Israel should not exist where it is or anywhere in the Middle East and a refusal to say where it should exist. It was more than fair to think "Wipe Israel off the map" was anti-Semitic.

He has since at least acknowledged that Israel can exist as a country in the Middle East, and amazingly the anti-Semitic talk has lessened!

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

I posted to what you said,yet you changed what i said. The missiles we had in Turkey. Jupiter's if I remember where obsolete at the time of the Cuba Crisis. It was why JFK had no problem in letting them go. up until around he mid 60s the USA was not really that into missiles they believed in the bomber theory. That is why you had the Navy build those huge carriers ,so they could get in on the ability to carry out strikes into the Russian heartland.
The issue with the ones the Soviets set up in Cuba was the amount of time it would take for them to hit targets and we would have to spend a crap load of money building a new line of radar to detect them ala the DEW line up North.
The Russians started the Cold war before WW2 even ended. Look at what went down at Postam,how they maneuvered and stole everything they could. I can point out the Kaytn massacre in 1940 of over 20000 officers by the NKVD. You want more I can keep on giving you examples of things the Russians did during and immediately after WW2. They where pissed at us because we came in when we did,far be it from them that they where buddy buddy with the Nazis until Hitler wanted his living space.

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No you haven't. Now Communism was a defensive ideology. I never said that. At each interval you are distorting facts and what I originally stated. Its how "Never the threat" magically becomes "Never A threat".

You referenced Missile Crisis and I provided evidence which supported what I said. Now you're talking about Karl Marx.

I wonder if anyone will come along to correct you?

In the beginning I stated that their "position was always defensive". I could bump it but what would be the point because when challenged you and a few others simply resort to the more fashionable referendum on me. Thats a real safe space apparently.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

Stalin. the poor guy. picked on by big bad USA.

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The ideology of Communism from its inception has never been defensive.

"Never the Threat" killed 100M people and was threatening our allies in Europe and Asia.

Read chas' response to your Cuban Missile Crisis revisionism.

And please don't pull the victim card here. Because you are not a victim.

Noe of this is a referendum on you. Just a referendum on your posting of "facts" that are demonstrably false.

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We have a mini cold war going in the South China Sea if you haven't noticed. Communism was a major threat. You think Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, and Reagan were all fools?

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They attempted to play the American public for fools.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

I never said that Israel should never exist anywhere. That is a lie. I stated early on that it should be placed somewhere in Germany. You and others didn't agree. I stated that it should not have been placed in areas that were heavily Palestinian. This is a consistent pattern of people slanting opinions to fit their narrative and drawing false conclusions. You get away with it because of the inherent biases that exists around this joint regarding certain posters. You know that no one besides the poster in question will call you on it so you consistently misrepresent what they say.

Me stating that Jewish people do not have a right to form a country on land in which they weren't the majority of the population isn't Anti Semitic either.

Your facts are off. Starting with the line about Zhukov seeking to war with Germany from previously and now this. First the United States wasn't involved in WWII in 1940. How could this be start of the Cold War?

Secondly Its your interpretation that the weapons were obsolete. Has no bearing on what I posted since the fact remains that the U.S. had weapons that were stationed in Turkey that were pointed at the Soviet Union long before the Cuban Missile Crisis. Cuban Missile Crisis was a defensive response to actions taken by Kennedy. Nothing you posted changed that fact.


Your timeline for the beginning of the Cold War is also off. Cold War was initiated by Truman with his Truman Doctrine and the policy was established by George Kennan.

Following the surrender of Nazi Germany in May 1945 near the close of World War II, the uneasy wartime alliance between the United States and Great Britain on the one hand and the Soviet Union on the other began to unravel. By 1948 the Soviets had installed left-wing governments in the countries of eastern Europe that had been liberated by the Red Army. The Americans and the British feared the permanent Soviet domination of eastern Europe and the threat of Soviet-influenced communist parties coming to power in the democracies of western Europe. The Soviets, on the other hand, were determined to maintain control of eastern Europe in order to safeguard against any possible renewed threat from Germany, and they were intent on spreading communism worldwide, largely for ideological reasons. The Cold War had solidified by 1947–48, when U.S. aid provided under the Marshall Plan to western Europe had brought those countries under American influence and the Soviets had installed openly communist regimes in eastern Europe.

and they were intent on spreading communism worldwide, largely for ideological reasons.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

You refused to say where it should be moved to right now. You always go back to the forming and ignore what the situation is now.

However you now think Israel should exist currently and the charge of anti-Semitic has mostly gone away! What a shock.

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We are all fools except you. Hubris, thy name is ltg.

Good chat.

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um here are some stuff about "Stalins Missed Chances"
https://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/30-96020.aspx

As too the massacre of the Poles in 1940 it is to show that the Soviets where on noones side but thier own, as to the USA not being in the war in 1940. Correct not formally but good ole FDR did initiate the convoy system and the shoot on sight U boat directives, don't believe me then explain the destroyers for bases and the occupation of Iceland? As well as our ships escorting British convoys?

Cold war origins per Encyclopedia Britannica


Unlike you I back my posts with facts not made up tin foil hat wearing shit







https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... is/309190/



well most times

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To be honest my position never wavered. You lied and misrepresented it. I stated that it can exist somewhere else and I stated that it could exist in Germany. Its funny that everyone shot Germany down. Can't have it in those European countries even though it was in Europe where most of the historic Anti Semitic activity has taken place. Interesting that it is the Europeans that have no problems carving up other parts of the world i.e. Africa, Middle East, Asia but when it comes to their own there is such reluctance and hesitancy.

I've always stated that it should not have been in Palestine and if there is Middle Eastern land that is unoccupied then it can be there. I'm not familiar with Middle Eastern geography and thus i wouldn't know of unoccupied land which exist there. It shouldn't have been placed in land where the Palestinians lay.

If you believe it should then explain why? These constant attacks on what i did or didn't say or getting old. Either state what you believe or leave it alone.

um here are some stuff about "Stalins Missed Chances"
https://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/30-96020.aspx

As too the massacre of the Poles in 1940 it is to show that the Soviets where on noones side but thier own, as to the USA not being in the war in 1940. Correct not formally but good ole FDR did initiate the convoy system and the shoot on sight U boat directives, don't believe me then explain the destroyers for bases and the occupation of Iceland? As well as our ships escorting British convoys?

Cold war origins per Encyclopedia Britannica


Unlike you I back my posts with facts not made up tin foil hat wearing shit











well most times

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Your position did waver. You said that Israel shouldn't exist anywhere in the Middle East multiple times. You also wouldn't say where it should currently be moved to. You only mentioned the founding. Now, you do think Israel should exist in the Middle East, though obviously, and fairly, you think there should be a Palestine also.


Unoccupied? Most of Palestine was unoccupied.

I believe Israel should exist in the general area that it does, though I would also like to see a two state solution.

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Your information regarding Palestine being unoccupied is false.

At some point read a book on the Cold War. The vast majority will support what I claimed. The Presidents of the U.S used the Cold War to build up the military and establish a worldwide hegemony. The communist were the boogeyman. THis same country that was such the threat got their asses handed to them by a third rate country in South Asia. Some threat

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

At some point read a book on the Cold War. The vast majority will support what I claimed. The Presidents of the U.S used the Cold War to build up the military and establish a worldwide hegemony. The communist were the boogeyman. THis same country that was such the threat got their asses handed to them by a third rate country in South Asia. Some threat

Most of Palestine was unoccupied or had such a low population density that it doesn't matter. There were larger cities but obviously some of those the Jews have a pretty valid claim to also as they were there too and had been for thousands of years also.

Also, it once again should be pointed out that it was not a country so the fact that people happened to be there in very small numbers doesn't really mean a whole lot anyways.

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I've read books on the Cold War.

And if you really think that the Communists were just the bogeyman, ask the residents of Eastern Europe, Cuba and say Afghanistan just for starters.

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The commies kicked our asses twice in SE Asia.

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