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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:34 am 
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Excuse maker Baker back to his old tricks.


Has Levineline supported his decision yet?

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If Strasburg doesn’t pitch today he’s the biggest bleeding pussy in baseball. Suck it up and compete for your teammates you big fuckin burrito.


This.


I don't know how Strasburg shows his face in that dugout ever again if he opts out for anything but arm trouble. I'd be incensed as a fan and outright hostile as a teammate.

Scherzer is already on board with pitching in relief in Game 5.

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I don't know how Strasburg shows his face in that dugout ever again if he opts out for anything but arm trouble. I'd be incensed as a fan and outright hostile as a teammate.

Scherzer is already on board with pitching in relief in Game 5.
Agree.

I thought I heard on 670 this morning that Scherzer told Dusty that he was ready to go today for a few outs if Dusty needed him.

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I don't know how Strasburg shows his face in that dugout ever again if he opts out for anything but arm trouble. I'd be incensed as a fan and outright hostile as a teammate.

Scherzer is already on board with pitching in relief in Game 5.
Agree.

I thought I heard on 670 this morning that Scherzer told Dusty that he was ready to go today for a few outs if Dusty needed him.

Dusty had him throw 150 pitch bullpen this morning to keep him sharp


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Stephen Strasburg and Nationals commit biggest error of the season



By Barry Svrluga Columnist


October 11 at 9:12 AM 


Let’s review what we know for certain: The Washington Nationals face elimination Wednesday afternoon at Wrigley Field. They employ a pitcher who, at the moment, is throwing as well as — and likely better than — anyone in the game. He is on regular rest. He will not pitch.

Keep going: The Nationals knew Manager Dusty Baker would be sitting in front of the media after Tuesday’s National League Division Series game was postponed to announce that Tanner Roark, not Stephen Strasburg, would get the ball with the season in the balance. And they either did not properly prepare Baker for the importance of the message he was about to deliver, or Baker did not understand its importance, or both.

Now, just me: I’m betting on both.

This is a mess. It is viewed that way across baseball, and it is viewed that way internally within the Nationals. They are, by now, a classic one-step-forward-two-steps-back organization, with responsibility in nearly every department of the club.

Get the caveats out of the way: The Nationals could beat the Chicago Cubs on Wednesday afternoon to force a fifth game Thursday in Washington. They could receive the performance of Strasburg’s life — or not — and still beat the Cubs one more time to move on to the National League Championship Series for the first time in club history.


That’s not an insane scenario. As first baseman Ryan Zimmerman said: “We’ve won two games in a row before. It’s not a record.”

But even if the Nats advance, it’s hard to imagine the events of Tuesday — a hum-drum, stare-at-your-phone-and-wait-for-official-word kinda day — becoming a funny footnote, even in a deep postseason run. The characters who have skin in this game, whose reputations could be — or already have been — damaged include Strasburg, Baker, and the Nationals organization as a whole.


[Thomas Boswell: What we have here (for the Nats) is a failure to communicate]

Start with Strasburg. The Nationals want you to know that he is sick. They want you to know that he is so sick they feel that Roark — with a bullpen that would include Gio Gonzalez on short rest and Max Scherzer for an inning — gives them a better chance to beat the Cubs in Game 4. Strasburg, of course, finished fourth in all of baseball in ERA (2.52). Roark tied for 47th (4.67).

“He’s feeling under the weather,” Baker said in front of that news conference, which included not just the Washington media — which is accustomed to this dysfunction — but the cameras of ESPN and the MLB Network, Chicago scribes who have dealt with Baker for years, and national writers with sources across decades and teams.

Let’s say Strasburg is, actually, very, very sick. Work with me here.

Why, then, was he even at the ballpark Tuesday? Why would he play catch, as he did in the outfield grass as other Nats warmed up? Why would he be at Wrigley in particular? It might be known as the “Friendly Confines,” but it’s hell on visiting teams, with the tiny visitors’ clubhouse forcing players and coaches and team officials to step over and around each other just to shower or dress or grab a bite to eat.


That’s no place for a very ill player, unless you want more very ill players.

About being sick and playing: This is the town of Michael Jordan, so it’s pertinent. Does anyone with a stake in the Nationals — player, coach, exec or fan — think Scherzer would delay a season-saving start because of illness? Mike Rizzo, the Nationals’ general manager, has said out loud that it’s the time of year for heroes.


“Be John Wayne,” Rizzo said Sunday at Wrigley, in between Games 2 and 3.

Strasburg, we have long known, is not John Wayne. But this episode only exacerbates his reputation as a finicky diva who must have every last detail in perfect position in order to pitch well. This is a time of year when management and teammates want you to say, “You couldn’t drag me off that mound.” Strasburg, it appears, said he would give the Nats what he had — and they looked at each other, considered the character they’re dealing with, and said, “No thanks.”

[The Nationals would have liked to have Stephen Strasburg start Game 4. He will not.]

“This is simple,” ESPN analyst and former big-league first baseman Mark Teixeira said. “Unless this guy is in the hospital and getting fluids and can’t even go to the ballpark, he’s gotta be on the mound.”

During ESPN’s “Baseball Tonight,” David Ross, Teixeira’s partner as an analyst (and a former Cub), said: “If I’m his teammate . . . I can’t look him in the eye.”

So whatever Strasburg says now, his rep is in flames.


Maybe, you say, people such as Teixeira and Ross don’t have all the information. About that:

If Strasburg is truly sick and if he actually wanted to pitch, let’s make sure the public gets some details about this illness. What was his temperature? What are his symptoms? How are the Nationals treating him? He threw a bullpen session Monday, was in the dugout for Game 3 that night, returned to the ballpark Tuesday. It’s nothing for a pitcher — never mind a pitcher who wouldn’t pitch Monday or Tuesday — to remain back at the hotel to recuperate. Why wasn’t Strasburg, so ill he can’t pitch, recuperating?

That leads to another possibility: Strasburg had been preparing all along to take the ball in a Game 5 on Thursday. When the weather altered the schedule for all of baseball, Strasburg declined to alter his own schedule. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reported that Strasburg refused to pitch Wednesday. The Nationals deny that report.

But what if they’re covering for him? If Nats officials say, “Yep, we wanted him to do it, and badly, but he wouldn’t,” then they’re admitting they invested seven years and $175 million in someone who can’t or won’t meet a low bar for competitiveness. Present him as can’t-get-out-of-bed sick (even though, clearly, he was out of bed), and it not only saves some face for Strasburg,but doesn’t bring up the big-picture questions for the organization: You hitched you trailer to this guy?


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Mike Rizzo on @JunksRadio this AM: "This is about winning G4. We feel Tanner Roark.. gives us a better chance than a depleted Strasburg."




He's not sick. He refused to take the ball and they put the wrong guy (Dusty) in charge of the cover up


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Mike Rizzo on @JunksRadio this AM: "This is about winning G4. We feel Tanner Roark.. gives us a better chance than a depleted Strasburg."




He's not sick. He refused to take the ball and they put the wrong guy (Dusty) in charge of the cover up

:lol: so you got the GM calling one of their studs depleted when he would be on regular rest after no hitting the Cubs for 6 innings.

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That’s really hard to fathom. After the arm shutdown a few years ago and now this. Might not matter but you look at these guys going out there and pitches no relief on two days rest sfte4 starting and this just looks awful.


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It would be kinda bad if it were 3 days rest. That he's doing this after the normal 4 is unbelievable.


I still think he might pitch.


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That’s really hard to fathom. After the arm shutdown a few years ago and now this. Might not matter but you look at these guys going out there and pitches no relief on two days rest sfte4 starting and this just looks awful.

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How do Harper and Scherzer keep from ripping this dudes head off? If he aint pitching he should stay away from the clubhouse/dugout

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How do Harper and Scherzer keep from ripping this dudes head off? If he aint pitching he should stay away from the clubhouse/dugout

Well, Harper hasn't exactly been an Iron man either but yea to Scherzer.


The ones I think would be pissed are Zimmerman and Werth who were there in the rebuilding years AND in 2010 when they shut him down (ostensibly....for him to come through now)


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How do Harper and Scherzer keep from ripping this dudes head off? If he aint pitching he should stay away from the clubhouse/dugout

Well, Harper hasn't exactly been an Iron man either but yea to Scherzer.


The ones I think would be pissed are Zimmerman and Werth who were there in the rebuilding years AND in 2010 when they shut him down (ostensibly....for him to come through now)

True, but I am guessing Harper would have to have a limb missing to not be in the lineup today.

Yeah Zimmerman and Werth should want to kill him as well.

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2017 G4: Sick/mold


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Roark pitches 3 ininngs. Nats up 3-0. Cubs get 2 on, nobody out. Strasburg comes in to strikeout Bryant, Rizzo and Zobrist and finishes with 6 no hit innings.


Then a repeat with Gio/Scherzer in Game 5


Nats start their magical run to the title with this move.


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Roark pitches 3 ininngs. Nats up 3-0. Cubs get 2 on, nobody out. Strasburg comes in to strikeout Bryant, Rizzo and Zobrist and finishes with 6 no hit innings.


Then a repeat with Gio/Scherzer in Game 5


Nats start their magical run to the title with this move.
That would be a cool story.

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Roark pitches 3 ininngs. Nats up 3-0. Cubs get 2 on, nobody out. Strasburg comes in to strikeout Bryant, Rizzo and Zobrist and finishes with 6 no hit innings.


Then a repeat with Gio/Scherzer in Game 5


Nats start their magical run to the title with this move.


I would like to bump this in a couple days and say great prediction.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Roark pitches 3 ininngs. Nats up 3-0. Cubs get 2 on, nobody out. Strasburg comes in to strikeout Bryant, Rizzo and Zobrist and finishes with 6 no hit innings.


Then a repeat with Gio/Scherzer in Game 5


Nats start their magical run to the title with this move.
That would be a cool story.

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It's a horrible sports town. (Actually a horrible town in general). They don't really deserve anything.


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Game 4 first pitch at 3:08 PM on TBS:

Jake Arrieta vs Tanner Roark (Strasburg's agent Boras says don't rule anything out)

Lineup:

1. Jay CF
2. Bryant 3B
3. Rizzo 1B
4. Contreras C
5. Zobrist RF
6. Schwarber LF
7. Russell SS
8. Baez 2B
9. Arrieta P


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https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/918137187367047168
BREAKING: Stephen Strasburg now likely to start for #Nats today in Game 4, source says. @MLB @MLBNetwork


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BREAKING: Stephen Strasburg now likely to start for #Nats today in Game 4, source says. @MLB @MLBNetwork




Fuck Dusty Baker.

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Lame attempt by Dust to play head games.


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Lame attempt by Dust to play head games.

I dont think so. I think this is Strasberg. He felt all the pressure and changed his mind.

His mind is not right, things are getting under his skin. Will impact his pitching this afternoon.

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Lame attempt by Dust to play head games.

I dont think so. I think this is Strasberg. He felt all the pressure and changed his mind.

His mind is not right, things are getting under his skin. Will impact his pitching this afternoon.


Good. Perfect recipe to get lit up and that would be it for Dusty as a manager too.


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RFDC wrote:
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Lame attempt by Dust to play head games.

I dont think so. I think this is Strasberg. He felt all the pressure and changed his mind.

His mind is not right, things are getting under his skin. Will impact his pitching this afternoon.

I wouldnt count on that but Cubs (most teams) are pretty good seeing a pitcher for the 2nd time.

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