Per my NL scout friend Bosio doesn't just have a good reputation around baseball, he has a great one. Letting him go is a really odd thing.

My opinion is Bosio is hard boiled a la Coop and that made Maddon nervous. He'd rather have a pitching coach that goes along with dress up days and such.

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I'm guessing that's the case. More of a yes man needed.

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I hope it's not, for the record; I prefer the idea that people are grumbling "all these fucks talk about is racism and out-of-town basketball" outside our little corner of the world.

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we know he's a phony. but the reason he was brought in here was to change the culture. remember this team has guys in their early 20s. Impressionable still. So that phony stuff probably works well with kids that young. To you and me, we can see right thru it. but for guys like that, they're looking at the guy as something different than what they had before.

But that stunt only lasts so long. If Joe doens't win next year, and by win I mean the WS, I think he's gone.

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Hard to quantify what a pitching or hitting coach is worth. Usually the good ones just have great players.


At the same time, did Dave Righetti and Bosio suddenly get bad?


Maybe the game passed them by?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

That must be a real dugout of weasels with two guys now who have jockeyed for jobs that weren't vacant.

I can only hope that Joe is given the same indignity some day.

You can see why he is so sensitive to criticism. He knows this public image of humble genius isn't reality.

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And yet, they were able to win a World Series. Must be Theo's genius is too much for Idiot Maddon to overcome.

Or Bosio

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Chapman had the worst stretch of his career on the Cubs before any over usage by Maddon.

Bosio does not have a good track record on relievers. He is definitely good with starters though.


We'll see.

TB didn't win a world series and neither did the Cubs with two weasels. They only had Weasel Joe.

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Chapman struggled in his limited playoff appearances before joining the Cubs. I posted about it lastyear when the trade was made. That's not on Bosio. Carl Edwards and MANY others have been been good.

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I wonder if Contreras had anything to do with this. Perhaps Bosio didn't like how Willson handled the pitchers with all his mound visits, and Joe took Contreras' side.

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look, I think Bosio is a pretty good pitching coach.

So is Larry Rothschild.

But there are two things to understand. First, if you're going to trumpet Jake as a guy that Bosio reclaimed, you have to also point out that the guy regressed in form (literally and figuratively) this year. He had clear mechanical issues, release point issues that Bosio never really fixed for good.

Secondly, his bullpen was so bad that Joe only used two-three relievers last year and this year with any confidence. And the two guys he relied on the most, Chapman and Davis, there wasn't anything Bosio made better or fixed. They were already good.

I could easily see Bosio and Madden getting into it about Joe only using a few relievers and having such a quick hook on starters. I guess I'm just surprised Bosio didn't resign.

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Arrieta was one of the best pitchers in baseball the 2nd half of the season. He was worked like a mule for 3 years too. He made the necessary adjustments. Quintana was arguably the Cubs best pitcher in the last 2 months after being God awful with the Sox for most of the season.

Bosio was easily the Cubs best coach and was fired to protect Maddon and take the focus away from his horrible in game decisions. The pressure of the playoffs is clearly too much for him.

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No, MANY others have not been good.

They have not been good with the bullpen. If a guy who walks in a pitcher in a tight playoff game is your bell cow, you have a problem.

Your Maddon hate (kinda understandable) is clouding your judgment here.

If your pitching coach cant mold a good bullpen over a period of 6-7 years, you need to get someone else, no matter how good he is with starters. Bullpens are too important.

Especially for Maddon, considering he seems to want his bullpen to pitch more innings than his starters.

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The bullpen was a strength earlier this year and last. He has to work with the tools he's given and really can't be held responsible for mismanagement.

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Dave Roberts, Chico Francona and Joe Girardi, too.

The bullpen has not been a strength for the Cubs in years.

Maddon used the bullpen early and often this season and the bullpen was fine last season before the trades.

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Cubs had one of the best bullpens in the second half of 2016 and the first half of 2017 per ERA, FIP and WAR.

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Yeah the bullpen was very good From the beginning to the middle of the year. The problem was they were used so much because the starters were so awful in the first half they were overworked and tired by the end of the year.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

If you are being honest with yourself, there is no arguing with the highlighted part of the post.

And the Cubs pen was pretty good for most of the time over the last two years. Maddon is in charge of who pitches and when, not Bosio.

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this is bordering on insane. Protect Maddon? The cubs have been in the NLCS the last three years!! Why in the world would he need protection? The Friedman built Dodgers and the Rizzo built Nats were both better than the Cubs this year. What, is Theo in danger two? Insanity.

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I prefer my bullpens to be good for entire seasons.


This isnt all on Bosio, though. Now we're just discussing the bullpen in general. That's on Theo, Joe, and Bosio.