Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

Having the best coach of all time is more useful than having elite WRs

Got any stats to back that up?

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

Yeah but I don't feel like doing the copy/paste work. You have the internet. Just look at their 2011 seasons when they were both at their best.

Ok. I guess one season proves it isn't even debatable.

Read the post you asked me to post stats on. It specifies them at their best.

But I'm not sure your end game here. We both have pro football reference. If you need me to actually post their stats here I can do that when I get home but we both know Rodgers does have a statistical case over Brees.

:lol: Ok. This should be good.

I was obviously joking about Rodgers being tier 2 but I think it's going to be very tough to say there isn't even an argument Brees is close to him.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

I was obviously joking about Rodgers being tier 2 but I think it's going to be very tough to say there isn't even an argument Brees is close to him.

I'll also be up front that I'm definitely going to use the stats of Brady and Manning and the fact that FF argued that Rodgers has surpassed them too even if he retired.

It would just end up coming down to how much you value total passing yardage. I don't mean that as a knock either. But in terms of things like QB rating, TD/INT ratio, y/a, etc Rodgers has the advantage in almost every single one. I don't want to get into bashing Brees like Spaulding. He's one of the best players to ever play. I just don't think there's much of a case to be made he's better than Rodgers.

Have I said Rodgers is the best QB ever? I don't remember saying that but I don't believe it and I have no problem admitting it was a dumb thing to say. Brady is the best QB ever and there's not a particularly close second.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

I look forward to it. I don't think the gap is as large as you think especially to just dismiss even the thought that they are close.

Belichick's Patriots with Rodgers > Belichick's Patriots with Brady.

Brady would've busted out of the league a few seasons under McCarthy at the beginning of his career.

Keep this study in mind on Sunday when that grand psychological riddle known as the New England Patriots tries to win yet another Super Bowl. In New England, you see, the Patriots’ coach, Bill Belichick, is a mastermind, quarterback Tom Brady is superhuman and the entire organization is viewed as a model of professional football perfection.

Outside New England, there’s far more skepticism. The Patriots are considered unrepentant cheaters, caught (and punished) more than once for their football crimes. Yet they keep winning, with a roster full of retreads and spare parts. Could they be skirting the rules even today, in new or undetected ways? Many football fans — nearly all of them outside New England — would not be surprised.



David DeSteno has a special vantage point for observing public response to the Patriots. He is a professor of psychology in Patriots country, at Northeastern University, in Boston, and he was a co-author of the study mentioned above. DeSteno is not a football fan, but he is an expert on the psychology of emotion, hypocrisy and moral judgment. He said you can’t really blame the Patriots faithful for believing their team can do no wrong, and has done no wrong, even though it was twice caught cheating by the N.F.L.

So the pre-Super Bowl chatter marches on, focusing on Belichick’s genius, even though he was fined a half-million dollars for videotaping opposing coaches in 2007, or Brady’s brilliance, even though he was suspended for the first four games of the season after being accused of using deflated footballs.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

Without looking, the stat where Rodgers will dominate anyone is going to be his TD-INT ratio.

Manning is over rated, not a top 10 guy.

Manning is over rated, not a top 10 guy.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

Take a look at his career numbers. Absolutely sick.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

Brady is the only QB more accomplished in the first few years of a career. If Wilson stays relatively healthy over the next 8-10 years he's a lock.

Yea just 8-10 years of good health.

I'm not trolling about the cheating stuff. Only Patriots fanboys think Brady's accomplishments and "records" are not tainted.