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A math education professor at the University of Illinois says the ability to solve geometry and algebra problems and teaching such subjects perpetuates so-called white privilege.

Rochelle Gutierrez laid out her views on the subject in an article for a newly published anthology for math educators titled, “Building Support for Scholarly Practices in Mathematics Methods.”

“School mathematics curricula emphasizing terms like Pythagorean Theorem and pi perpetuate a perception that mathematics was largely developed by Greeks and other Europeans," she says, according to Campus Reform.

She also says that addressing equity in mathematics education will come when teachers can understand and negotiate the politics outside the classroom.

“On many levels, mathematics itself operates as whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as white,” she writes.

Further, she says mathematics operates with unearned privilege in society, “just like whiteness.”

Gutierrez did not respond to an email from Fox News Tuesday seeking comment.

University of Illinois interim Provost John Wilkin told Fox News that Gutierrez is an established and admired scholar who has been published in many peer-reviewed publications.

“As with all of our faculty at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Prof. Gutierrez has the rights of academic freedom necessary to pursue scholarship and research on important subjects and to reach conclusions even if some might disagree with those conclusions,” he said.

He added, “The issues around equity and access in education are real – with significant implications to our entire educational system. Exploring challenging pedagogical questions is exactly what faculty in a world-class college of education should be doing.”

In the book Gutierrez points out that mathematics operates as a proxy for intelligence, but asks, “are we really that smart just because we do mathematics?”

“As researchers, are we more deserving of large grants because we focus on mathematics education and not social studies or English?”

Gutierrez says evaluations of math skills can perpetuate discrimination against minorities, especially if they do worse than their white counterparts, Campus Reform reported.

“If one is not viewed as mathematical, there will always be a sense of inferiority that can be summoned” because the average person won't necessarily question the role of mathematics in society, she writes.

According to the website, Gutierrez adds that there are so many people who “have experienced microaggressions from participating in math classrooms… [where people are] judged by whether they can reason abstractly.”

Her solution is a call for teachers to develop political "conocimeinto," or knowledge, to better prepare them in deciding on what learning opportunities work best for their students.

The book, published by Information Age Publishing, is a collaborative effort among more than 40 educators who teach mathematics methods courses for prospective pre-K‐12 teachers.


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Funny how the Asians are scoring better than anyone in math.

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“are we really that smart just because we do mathematics?”


Uh, yes?


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The old joke about accountants goes something like this:

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2 + Rochelle Guiterrez = Deport ahead of peers

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Education faculty. Not mathematics faculty
An old saying I have heard about anyone who goes into Education:
Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, go into education.

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Education faculty. Not mathematics faculty
An old saying I have heard about anyone who goes into Education:
Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, go into education.

Holy shit. I thought you'd know better than that.


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Psycory wrote:
Education faculty. Not mathematics faculty
An old saying I have heard about anyone who goes into Education:
Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, go into education.


That was actually one of the conclusions in the book below in assessing the problems with the American Education system. We have a very low bar for teachers. I was shocked by some of the teacher statistics especially relative to high performing Finland.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0061NT61Y/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Edit: I don't mean they can't teach, but rather the quality of the teaching and knowledge of the subject matter were low.

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When I think of people who are good at math I think of white people, Greeks in particular.

Maybe it's called the Pythagorean theorem because it was discovered by a guy named Pythagoras?

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When I think of people who are good at math I think of white people, Greeks in particular.

Maybe it's called the Pythagorean theorem because it was discovered by a guy named Pythagoras?


Isaac Newton was a pasty-faced Englishman who "invented" calculus to describe the movement of objects.


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Incidentally, isn't there a fairly recent and reasonable argument that Algebra was actually a product of the (for lack of a better descriptor) Muslim world?

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She's right.

We all thought "when the fuck am I ever gonna need trigonometry" when we were in high school.

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denisdman wrote:
Psycory wrote:
Education faculty. Not mathematics faculty
An old saying I have heard about anyone who goes into Education:
Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, go into education.


That was actually one of the conclusions in the book below in assessing the problems with the American Education system. We have a very low bar for teachers. I was shocked by some of the teacher statistics especially relative to high performing Finland.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0061NT61Y/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Edit: I don't mean they can't teach, but rather the quality of the teaching and knowledge of the subject matter were low.

We do set a low bar for teachers in this country--I know because I have trained some and the ones that were in my class were not always bright bulbs.

But comparing the US to Finland is and always will be faulty.


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Don Tiny wrote:
Incidentally, isn't there a fairly recent and reasonable argument that Algebra was actually a product of the (for lack of a better descriptor) Muslim world?

doesn't it mean God (al) knowledge, or some shit?


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And it'd be one thing if these white folks set the rules of the game. Instead, they are merely describing natural rules. Pi isn't some human invention.

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When I think of people who are good at math I think of white people, Greeks in particular.

Maybe it's called the Pythagorean theorem because it was discovered by a guy named Pythagoras?
a squared + b squared = C your white privilege, homey.

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When I think of people who are good at math I think of white people, Greeks in particular.

Maybe it's called the Pythagorean theorem because it was discovered by a guy named Pythagoras?


Isaac Newton was a pasty-faced Englishman who "invented" calculus to describe the movement of objects.

:lol:

I'd love to see the "Yes, but . . ." on that.


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When I think of people who are good at math I think of white people, Greeks in particular.

Maybe it's called the Pythagorean theorem because it was discovered by a guy named Pythagoras?

He has the trademark. Smart enough to monetize it for generational wealth.


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denisdman wrote:
Psycory wrote:
Education faculty. Not mathematics faculty
An old saying I have heard about anyone who goes into Education:
Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, go into education.


That was actually one of the conclusions in the book below in assessing the problems with the American Education system. We have a very low bar for teachers. I was shocked by some of the teacher statistics especially relative to high performing Finland.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0061NT61Y/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Edit: I don't mean they can't teach, but rather the quality of the teaching and knowledge of the subject matter were low.

We do set a low bar for teachers in this country--I know because I have trained some and the ones that were in my class were not always bright bulbs.

But comparing the US to Finland is and always will be faulty.


You're a book guy. Read that book, and I think even you will be shocked. It's a quick read. Becoming a teacher there is like becoming a doctor here along with the associated respect.

They compare Finland to Sweden and Norway, which should presumably be similar. They are not. And all of Finland's gains were in one generation due to very small but important changes.

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denisdman wrote:
tommy wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Psycory wrote:
Education faculty. Not mathematics faculty
An old saying I have heard about anyone who goes into Education:
Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, go into education.


That was actually one of the conclusions in the book below in assessing the problems with the American Education system. We have a very low bar for teachers. I was shocked by some of the teacher statistics especially relative to high performing Finland.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0061NT61Y/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Edit: I don't mean they can't teach, but rather the quality of the teaching and knowledge of the subject matter were low.

We do set a low bar for teachers in this country--I know because I have trained some and the ones that were in my class were not always bright bulbs.

But comparing the US to Finland is and always will be faulty.


You're a book guy. Read that book, and I think even you will be shocked. It's a quick read. Becoming a teacher there is like becoming a doctor here along with the associated respect.

They compare Finland to Sweden and Norway, which should presumably be similar. They are not. And all of Finland's gains were in one generation due to very small but important changes.

No, Denis, I get it. I get what you're saying. But we have a huge poor population--and not the good kind of poor population we once had....you know, the stuck-in-poverty-forever crowd. Also, size. But I know what you are saying, and there is merit there, but the context is so different.

They also had to guts to make those changes--I don't think Americans (outside of libertarians) do...


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This is a weird one for me. I am trying to understand the argument she makes and I don't get it. The argument is that because algebra/geometry uses Greek/European symbols and names makes it a challenge for people who are not of European descent?

That seems like a stretch. I think it makes more sense to talk about different learning styles and how that has an effect in learning ability in math.

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I think it makes more sense to talk about different learning styles and how that has an effect in learning ability in math.


Exactly. Train good math teachers. A lot of them. Train them so they know both math and learning. Not this: "Her solution is a call for teachers to develop political 'conocimeinto,' or knowledge, to better prepare them in deciding on what learning opportunities work best for their students."

What the hell does that even mean?

Most people probably only need algebra and a little geometry--and stats would be nice. We still need math studs, though.


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When I think of people who are good at math I think of white people, Greeks in particular.

Maybe it's called the Pythagorean theorem because it was discovered by a guy named Pythagoras?
a squared + b squared = C your white privilege, homey.

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This is a weird one for me. I am trying to understand the argument she makes and I don't get it. The argument is that because algebra/geometry uses Greek/European symbols and names makes it a challenge for people who are not of European descent?

That seems like a stretch. I think it makes more sense to talk about different learning styles and how that has an effect in learning ability in math.



It all has root in the Frankfurt school of Marxism. The idea that everyone in society was psychologically oppressed by the institutions of Western culture.

Simply seizing the means of production isn't enough, you must condition the young to reject Western civilization wholesale. Look at Kings College London having to remove portraits of famous "white scholars portraits of some of its founding fathers with a "wall of diversity" amid pressure from students.

I know some will accuse me of being an alt right crank but this isn't some diatribe against "muh cultural Marxism". I dont think the gays are a commie plot. I do think education at the higher level has been infiltrated by people whose beliefs are in opposition to the core values of this country.

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It has been my experience that students of all races and socioeconomic backgrounds hate dividing when using decimals.

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Maybe we are just genetically pre-disposed to be better at math. “Look at their slide rules !!”

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It all has root in the Frankfurt school of Marxism. The idea that everyone in society was psychologically oppressed by the institutions of Western culture.


Partially; I've seen profs bend over backwards to make illogical arguments so that they could affirm someone's background, no matter the expense to rhetoric or evidence. But much of this comes from American culture, too, and rightly so (forced segregation was pretty bad). Still, the Frankfurt School kind of killed Marxism as a valid way of criticizing certain social set-ups. The Frankfurt Cult-Studies people profess a sort of religion, really...and you can't argue about religion, so there's no use. You can never persuade them of anything; they have all the answers.

But we live in an age of migration, and there are going to be culture wars. Change is hard.


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This bitch can fuck off. Didn't she see Stand and Deliver? Jaime Escalante explains to his students the great additions the Mayans (probably her ancestors) contributed to mathematics and that math is basically the one area where biases and culture are irrelevant.

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