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So if I'm following it, basically what happened here is that Obama was too cool to raise money for the DNC, then Debbie Wasserman Schultz wasted all their money on think tanks and Hamilton tickets, leaving the party broke. Hillary, who had phat staxx from Goldman Sachs and Harvey Weinstein, loans the DNC money in exchange for turning the DNC into essentially a captured shop of the Hillary campaign. Then Bernie Sanders does better than expected to begin the primary and the campaign has to use the bought-and-paid-for DNC to influence the primary against Bernie. Then after all that, she still loses to an idiot because everyone fucking hates her so much. Cool cool.


Thanks for the summary.

I'd say he was pretty accurate.

Just remember, shit like this is why we have voter apathy.

It's honestly a damn shame the roof didn't collapse in on one of the debate halls last year, preferably St. Louis since it was filled with Blues fans like Ken Bone

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This hasn't stopped being relevant:

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I keep going back to this over and over and over: https://twitter.com/jakebackpack/status ... 9187864576

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Common trope in media criticism: the media is/was structurally incapable of noting that the GOP is no longer a "normal" political party. Wrong! The GOP is a normal political party. It's the Democrats that are something else. The GOP is a distasteful, racist, weird party. Sure. But its fundamental commitment at all levels is getting itself elected. That's what parties do. Their whole purpose is to provide an infrastructure through which individual candidates can win office.

The Democrats, on the other hand, are something more like a nebulous consultancy for people too lazy to finish grad school. The Democrats are a "strategic communications firm" that bills city governments looking for "smart solutions" to "the problems of tomorrow." I make fun of the GOP as a party of professional grifters, which they are. But the Braziles of the world are running the *real* scam. In the immortal words of Frank Zappa, "we're only in it for the money."

If you try to understand the Democrats as a political party, you come away confused. If you consider them a "think tank," they make sense. Like a think tank, their main purpose is to employ failed academics, the Yglesii of the world pretending to do research. The Dems' main concern is to scam six-figure salaries for guys with Ivy-League BAs, too dumb to manage grad schools language requirements. We laugh about all the right-wing welfare publications, but the whole Democratic party is welfare for Ivy-League mediocrities. The GOP is shitty, but it's a regular, recognizable political party. Sure, it's got plenty of scammers, but at a fundamental level? What did the GOP do, in and out of power? It thought about winning elections, starting at the state level. What did the Dems do? They gave each other jobs. When they accidentally got power, they dithered and compromised. People mock Trump's laziness, but what did Obama do in the first 100 days with a supermajority? Make some laconic comments?

So I will join you in fighting against the "normalization" of Trump, but I won't let you pretend the GOP is something new. The GOP is America's right-wing party. It has been for nearly a century. It is the Democrats who became something weirder. "For every vote we lose in central PA, we'll gain 2 republicans in the suburbs"? Lol. Sounds like a "communications" grift to me. Sell that shit to the under-funded non-profit down the road. I'm not buying.


The Democrats are not built to raise money to win elections. They raise money and then just...fuck around with it among themselves.

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The people running our country do not understand how to make tough financial decisions.


tough financial decisions cost votes and when all you care about is retaining votes, you don't make touch financial decisions.


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I am wondering how the hell Obama left all that debt. Also, he was guaranteed bank during his 8 years and he couldn't get some speeches to raise that?

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I am wondering how the hell Obama left all that debt. Also, he was guaranteed bank during his 8 years and he couldn't get some speeches to raise that?

He was ultimately a disaster for the Democrat Party. If you don't believe me, just look at all of the state houses and governorships (plus congressional seats) they lost during his tenure. He destroyed the Democrat backbench, which led to the weak 2016 field

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I am wondering how the hell Obama left all that debt. Also, he was guaranteed bank during his 8 years and he couldn't get some speeches to raise that?

Jackson Park FTW!

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Had Hillary been elected and trump went on to start trump news. Would there be republican super majorities in both houses by 2020? As bad as it is for the resistance, winning may have been even worse for the dems long term.


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Had Hillary been elected and trump went on to start trump news. Would there be republican super majorities in both houses by 2020? As bad as it is for the resistance, winning may have been even worse for the dems long term.

The darkness was coming one way or the other. Had Hillary won, she would have done nothing against a galvanized Republican Congress that would have gotten even stronger in 2018, then by 2020, the Democrats, whether it was Hillary or some centrist no one gives a fuck about after Hillary had a stroke and died, would have lost to the Republican nominee, who by then probably would have been a jet ski dealer from Lake of the Ozarks with a swastika made of shit smeared on his face. When you think about it, of course Trump was always going to win. He wasn't going to steamroll the meticulously prepared Republican primary field, expose American politics as a worthless spectacle, and then lose soundly on a redux of the 2012 map plus-minus a couple swing states. This had to happen from day one.

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Had Hillary been elected and trump went on to start trump news. Would there be republican super majorities in both houses by 2020? As bad as it is for the resistance, winning may have been even worse for the dems long term.

The darkness was coming one way or the other. Had Hillary won, she would have done nothing against a galvanized Republican Congress that would have gotten even stronger in 2018, then by 2020, the Democrats, whether it was Hillary or some centrist no one gives a fuck about after Hillary had a stroke and died, would have lost to the Republican nominee, who by then probably would have been a jet ski dealer from Lake of the Ozarks with a swastika made of shit smeared on his face. When you think about it, of course Trump was always going to win. He wasn't going to steamroll the meticulously prepared Republican primary field, expose American politics as a worthless spectacle, and then lose soundly on a redux of the 2012 map plus-minus a couple swing states. This had to happen from day one.

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I am wondering how the hell Obama left all that debt. Also, he was guaranteed bank during his 8 years and he couldn't get some speeches to raise that?




Assuming he knew he was waltzing into a second term with no threats from any party, he didn't need to raise dough. Also he doesn't like HRC.. I bet if Biden was running he would have raised plenty of dough.

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Had Hillary been elected and trump went on to start trump news. Would there be republican super majorities in both houses by 2020? As bad as it is for the resistance, winning may have been even worse for the dems long term.

The darkness was coming one way or the other. Had Hillary won, she would have done nothing against a galvanized Republican Congress that would have gotten even stronger in 2018, then by 2020, the Democrats, whether it was Hillary or some centrist no one gives a fuck about after Hillary had a stroke and died, would have lost to the Republican nominee, who by then probably would have been a jet ski dealer from Lake of the Ozarks with a swastika made of shit smeared on his face. When you think about it, of course Trump was always going to win. He wasn't going to steamroll the meticulously prepared Republican primary field, expose American politics as a worthless spectacle, and then lose soundly on a redux of the 2012 map plus-minus a couple swing states. This had to happen from day one.




I disagree, I never really understood how Republicans hate her..she's a righty through n through..i think she would have gotten plenty passed through the GOP controlled houses.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:07 pm 
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I am wondering how the hell Obama left all that debt. Also, he was guaranteed bank during his 8 years and he couldn't get some speeches to raise that?




Assuming he knew he was waltzing into a second term with no threats from any party, he didn't need to raise dough. Also he doesn't like HRC.. I bet if Biden was running he would have raised plenty of dough.

You need to correct that. NOBODY like's Hillary.


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I never really understood how Republicans hate her

She's a woman.

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I never really understood how Republicans hate her

She's a woman.


That's why Andrew Sullivan hates her.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:30 pm 
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I never really understood how Republicans hate her

She's a woman.


That's why Andrew Sullivan hates her.

And why the Check Marks love her. If her resume and experience had a penis they would all be holding up Terry's "Not interested" sign.


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If Obama ruined the modern Democratic Party, he might be my favorite president ever.

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One more thing... Debbie Wasserman’s hair looks like overcooked spaghetti.

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her party's bankrupt already
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Right around the time of the convention, the leaked emails revealed Hillary’s campaign was grabbing money from the state parties for its own purposes, leaving the states with very little to support down-ballot races. A Politico story published on May 2, 2016, described the big fund-raising vehicle she had launched through the states the summer before, quoting a vow she had made to rebuild “the party from the ground up … when our state parties are strong, we win. That’s what will happen.”

Yet the states kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary’s campaign was holding, just as Gary had described to me when he and I talked in August.


TAHNK YUO Hlilary u saved teh DNC

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Now it's plain as day why Hillary's only challengers from within the party were forgettable dopes like Martin O'Malley and Jim Webb [plus Lincoln Chafee, who's not a real Democrat, and Bernie Sanders, who's (((not a real Democrat)))]. Warren and Biden weren't going to bother when Hillary and her Cum-In-A-Houseplant money ran the show.

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In this article it illustrates that not only was Bernie screwed over but probably also screwed over Biden and kept him out of the race.

http://nypost.com/2017/11/02/did-hillar ... -the-race/

As this was happening, she found herself with only two semi-serious challengers for the nomination — Sanders and former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley.

There was another person out there — then-Vice President Joe Biden. Though grieving over the tragic loss of his son Beau, Biden was still seriously considering a late entry into the race. Indeed, it would not be until October that Biden would declare himself out of contention.

Consider then, that a formal agreement signed by the DNC and the Clinton campaign was executed in August 2015, two months before Biden made his decision.

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Had Hillary been elected and trump went on to start trump news. Would there be republican super majorities in both houses by 2020? As bad as it is for the resistance, winning may have been even worse for the dems long term.

The darkness was coming one way or the other. Had Hillary won, she would have done nothing against a galvanized Republican Congress that would have gotten even stronger in 2018, then by 2020, the Democrats, whether it was Hillary or some centrist no one gives a fuck about after Hillary had a stroke and died, would have lost to the Republican nominee, who by then probably would have been a jet ski dealer from Lake of the Ozarks with a swastika made of shit smeared on his face. When you think about it, of course Trump was always going to win. He wasn't going to steamroll the meticulously prepared Republican primary field, expose American politics as a worthless spectacle, and then lose soundly on a redux of the 2012 map plus-minus a couple swing states. This had to happen from day one.


I disagree, I never really understood how Republicans hate her..she's a righty through n through..i think she would have gotten plenty passed through the GOP controlled houses.


That's almost certainly not true. We've reached a point in American politics where it's not about ideology or policy but rather which gang one belongs to.

Many of Trump's philosophies- in as much as he has any- are things that would be wholeheartedly supported by the Democrats if he were one of them. The idea that Trump is some guy out on a radical edge is simply wrong. For example, his position on immigration is slightly to the left of Bill Clinton's. (Yeah, I understand that the country as a whole (and particularly the Democrat party have moved left since the Clinton years.)

So even though you're correct in that Hillary is far from a far left wing nutjob and there are plenty of issues on which she should have been able to reach agreement with a Republican Congress, I don't think that would have happened. They would have jammed it up her ass just because of who she is.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:42 am 
Honestly guys. Other than trying to use their primary to get nominated because he knew running as an Indy wouldn't work, Bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT. Why is it such a shock that the DNC wanted a Democrat to win the Democratic nomination? I know that more people will be in cuffs soon (looking at you Mr Attorney General) but all this crap is are more distractions. Donna B is trying to stay relevant, and Trump and company are more than happy to help her.


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Honestly guys. Other than trying to use their primary to get nominated because he knew running as an Indy wouldn't work, Bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT. Why is it such a shock that the DNC wanted a Democrat to win the Democratic nomination? I know that more people will be in cuffs soon (looking at you Mr Attorney General) but all this crap is are more distractions. Donna B is trying to stay relevant, and Trump and company are more than happy to help her.


The real criminals are the BOD who sat in ignorance while letting the corporation build up a huge debt.

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I know that more people will be in cuffs soon (looking at you Mr Attorney General) but all this crap is are more distractions.

If the largest political party in America, the "party of the people," was so bereft of funds that they had to be bailed out by Hillary's Goldman Sachs "speaking fees" and whatever briefcase of money Harvey Weinstein hadn't jizzed all over, that deserves considerable scrutiny. Why should we think these people will save us?

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I never really understood how Republicans hate her

She's a woman.


I see your logic, but I think the GOP swamp would have gotten over the fact that she's a woman. I think she would have gotten some shit through. They're all too much the same.

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Hillary almost got taken off the ticket for fainting all the time

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Brazile describes in wrenching detail Clinton’s bout with pneumonia. On Sept. 9, she saw the nominee backstage at a Manhattan gala and she seemed “wobbly on her feet” and had a “rattled cough.” Brazile recommended Clinton see an acupuncturist.

Two days later, Clinton collapsed as she left a Sept. 11 memorial service at Ground Zero in New York. Brazile blasts the campaign’s initial efforts to shroud details of her health as “shameful.”

Whenever Brazile got frustrated with Clinton’s aides, she writes, she would remind them that the DNC charter empowered her to initiate the replacement of the nominee. If a nominee became disabled, she explains, the party chair would oversee a complicated process of filling the vacancy that would include a meeting of the full DNC.

After Clinton’s fainting spell, some Democratic insiders were abuzz with talk of replacing her — and Brazile says she was giving it considerable thought.

The morning of Sept. 12, Brazile got a call from Biden’s chief of staff saying the vice president wanted to speak with her. She recalls thinking, “Gee, I wonder what he wanted to talk to me about?” Jeff Weaver, campaign manager for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), called, too, to set up a call with his boss, and former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley sent her an email.

Brazile also was paid a surprise visit in her DNC office by Baker, who, she writes, was dispatched by the Clinton campaign “to make sure that Donna didn’t do anything crazy.”

“Again and again I thought about Joe Biden,” Brazile writes. But, she adds, “No matter my doubts and my fears about the election and Hillary as a candidate, I could not make good on that threat to replace her.”


The best thing about all this is how the shitlibs are disowning Donna Brazile. She's not even a black woman anymore! As stoneroses86 would say, ha, ha, ha!

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Can you imagine the reaction if she actually did replace Clinton as the nominee in mid-september.

WOMYN may have rioted in the streets and voted for a Republican...

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