Well gee. Why didn't anyone else think of this before?

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Those were mine.

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Well I figured that it would go over better than simply to say stop voting republican

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

If you choose to take advantage of your 2nd Amendment right, you should be required to give up another.

I agree in many cases, but look at some of the suggestions from the other side in this very thread.

The equivalent to people who think the government is coming for their guns is people that say "Well, I don't know what we should do, but we have to do something!" I mean, if you're going to claim that, then you should probably know what the current state of laws are and how much any currently suggested new laws would help.

In addition to the 2nd amendment, America has a culture of guns based on its history (and that history largely exists for good reason). No law is going to eliminate that.

Both sides can get pretty ridiculous.

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Good call. I take advantage of the 2nd amendment, and I am giving up the 19th amendment. Everyone follow my lead.

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Every American has already unknowingly forfeited their 4th Amendment rights to the NSA.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I'll let them quarter soldiers in my house. No one but me wants to take the risk of living in a Pulte home anyways.

"No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."

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So, nobody is seriously advocating rounding up the guns and getting rid of them. Nobody is seriously saying that guns should not be sold.

Registration(s), training, and a waiting period for purchase all seem like fairly reasonable modifications. What would be the serious arguments against this? Why wouldn't these work?

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Restrict the sale of all firearms moving forward(retail and private sales) to on-premises at Guaranteed Rate Field.

Well, you have the loons that paranoid about being in a government database (even though, as long as they're taxpayers, they're in there anyway).

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I would 100% be in favor of those extreme measures of reducing guns as a whole -- since the only thing guns could do for me is shoot and kill me, having never owned a gun nor do I want one -- but I understand that's unrealistic.

I don't know shit about gun laws because I don't own a gun. But much of what you want is part of Illinois law already.

To legally possess firearms or ammunition, Illinois residents must have a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card, which is issued by the Illinois State Police to any qualified applicant. Non-residents who may legally possess firearms in their home state are exempt from this requirement.

The state police issue licenses for the concealed carry of handguns to qualified applicants age 21 or older who pass a 16-hour training course. However, any law enforcement agency can object to an individual being granted a license "based upon a reasonable suspicion that the applicant is a danger to himself or herself or others, or a threat to public safety". Objections are considered by a Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board, which decides whether or not the license will be issued, based on "a preponderance of the evidence". Licenses issued by other states are not recognized, except for carry in a vehicle. Open carry is prohibited in most areas. When a firearm is being transported by a person without a concealed carry license, it must be unloaded and enclosed in a case, or broken down in a non-functioning state, or not immediately accessible.

There is a waiting period to take possession after purchasing a firearm — 72 hours for a handgun, or 24 hours for a rifle or shotgun. For private sales, the seller must verify the buyer's FOID card, and keep a record of the sale for at least 10 years. Lost or stolen guns must be reported to the police. Possession of automatic firearms, short-barreled shotguns, or suppressors is prohibited. Possession of short-barreled rifles is permitted only for those who have an ATF Curios and Relics license or are a member of a military reenactment group. The state does not restrict the sale or possession of firearms that have been defined as assault weapons, or of magazines that can hold more than a certain number of rounds of ammunition, but some local jurisdictions do restrict them."

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Again, I'm no expert, but I believe that these things are already in place (at least in most states). That's the thing. They are kind of just empty suggestions when most people (not necessarily you) just say them without having any idea how many of them are already in existence.

Edit: what Dennis said

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Depending on how you look at it, Illinois strict gun laws do work. It's really hard for a crazy emo kid from Naperville to get an AR-15 and shoot up a Starbucks. The inner city gun problems are not random. They fit a pattern of gang members who obtain the weapons illegally with purpose of aiding their criminal activities. They could care less about any stray bullets and civilian casualties, but on the same token that isn't their primary objective either.

Yeah I don't think I put forth new laws or restrictions (maybe the kits and the registration). But toughen sentences for abuses.

If we want to get serious about gun crimes and illegal weapons, then let's get serious.

Otherwise let's all just shut up about it.

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you're the one that started the thread

Shut up Meg.

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True. I can't really remember when this started or why. We just run around in circles solving nothing.

Is 72 hours really enough of a waiting period? I would think at least a week would be better.
Similar to driving, there should a course that you need to take just to get a FOID card...similar to the Concealed Carry class.

The guns themselves aren't registered. If every car I have needs tags, and every dog I own needs to register for a rabies shot, I do not think its anything to register your MANY guns, especially because they all have serial numbers anyway.

The gun show loophole absolutely needs to be closed.

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I'm pro gun and I think registration and longer waiting times are perfectly fine. If we reach the point where the government is rounding up civilians on a gun registry, I'm guessing things are probably beyond the point of recovery. The only reasons to own a gun is hunting/sport shooting and personal protection. A shotgun/rifle is fine for the first and a handgun is more than adequate for the second.

My biggest question to people like Ogie that are so strictly against a registry... If things have devolved to the point of government rounding up civilians, what will owning a gun do for you? This isn't the 1700s, you wont be able to throw off the shackles of oppression and start a new country. Things will already be FUBAR at this point.

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tougher sentences for gun crimes and its time we start opening up state hospitals and filling them with crazies. there are people walking the streets that have no business doing such.

Thigns would be FUBAR at this point, but I think recent history has shown small arms amongst an insurgency force can repel even the strongest armies or at the very least deny them control over an area.

Look the chances of something like that happening in my lifetime are well below 10%. With that said, I'd say no one would foresee what is happening in Catalonia where a large and well armed central government is more or less seizing complete control and restricting the natural rights of its own citizens. The situation unfolding there is the type of situation our founding fathers envisioned when James Madison authored the Bill of Rights with the right to bear arms enshrined next to other inalienable rights.

I will probably never pick up and fire my rifle for a purpose other than recreational shooting, but I do maintain my right to maintain my rifle should an unlikely and unforeseeable event take place. I've carried a rifle as a sentry, I don't want to do it again.

I'm OK with longer wait periods, full background checks etc., but I sure as hell do not want a national gun registry. I also would want to make sure that gun rights cannot be taken away from someone without full due process.

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Spain has a constitution. It appears to say that a province cannot secede. There are no "natural rights" involved. They wanna leave, go move somewhere else or change the fucking constitution.

That's the same problem we have with gun laws. People will whine and bitch and moan, but nobody will actually try to change the 2nd Amendment. Because nobody can make money doing that.

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self determination is a natural right.

Once again, the people Catalonia would have a means to maintain that right. However, they are disarmed so a powerful central government who controls the arms can exert power over the people. Spain would be able to do this if the people in Catalonia had an effective means to resist.

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I don't think you're being fair if you're comparing the completely ridiculous "government is coming for our guns" with someone saying "something must be done" after a mass shooting.

One is delusional, the other is overly idealistic. Not equal.

It should not be a states' issue. Why are the laws different once you cross a state border? Let's have the same laws in every state. No confusion. No buying guns in lax states and returning to "stricter" states.

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While we're on that subject, there should be national CCW recognition. None of this fucking bullshit from places like NY or NJ where they are "may issue." We need national "shall issue"

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Crazy people don't typically care if they are following laws or not, so I would probably work on making sure there are less crazy people as a key component of reform.

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