Just assume everything Gay says is trolling.

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My thoughts are pretty much in line with Darkside's earlier post. Not different enough to spend a lot of time typing.

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I think the next great battle will be for the requirement of biometric scanners on guns in order to fire them. This way you have your guns, and can defend yourself, but that gun can only be shot by you or other registered people to that specific gun. This will be fought hard against by the gun lobby though and will show that much of their arguments about personal safety are just convenient excuses. You'll hear about "added expenses" and "potential malfunctions" and "government oversight" when all it is doing it making sure that the legal owner of the gun is the only one who can fire it.

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I am not picking on Frank, Peeps, but this comment here is the type of thing that drives me nuts. They are fully banned move on. If you are found with a fully automatic weapon throw someone in jail for 5 years.

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I really, really, really do not want to sidetrack this but try to look at a couple subjects involving a constitutional right that the left loves and see how reasonable they are about changing things.

Biometric stuff was the talk some time ago but it went no where. Aside from whatever the NRA says I think along the lines of breakout cell phones as easy as hacking a firearm measure.

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Huh?

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Sure.

That's more in line with what I proposed. Increase penalties.

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The only biometric safety I ever read about for a gun was some sort of fingerprint reading type ability. I do not know exactly where that got dropped but it died out. I assumed you were thinking of some other type of measure that would be able to let the owner of a gun (and maybe his/her family) to fire it.

I can't imagine right now how that would be done but I am pretty sure hacking would be possible. I tried to compare it to how they overcome carrier only restrictions on stolen cell phones.

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My front door lock can easily be hacked but I still lock my door.

Also, what does it matter that you've only read about one thing and you have no idea what the status of that is. There are a lot of things we could do in regards to biometrics in guns. Some of them haven't been developed yet because surprisingly gun owners aren't seeking out a way to make their guns safer and harder to sell by only being able to be fired by them. It would have to be done by law to get any sort of technology and adoption by the public. This is the battle the "left" should be taking up. Let the responsible gun owners shoot guns they are legally allowed to shoot. If they hack it and let someone else do it then charge them with the exact same crime the person who used the gun did.

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Congress needs to fix the mental health problem before banning any guns. Stop sending the mentally ill to jails and get them proper treatment.

I would start with community based mental health treatment. A clinic for every X amount of people in the area. They would focus on early prevention and intervention. Every community should have a single point of access for mental health. If you're mentally ill, are you really going to research the red tape network to get help?

Want a pop tax or increase toll way funding? Then use that money to fund mental health. Premiums rising faster than the water level during a tropic storm in Houston? Then pass a law to have the insurance companies support these clinics. Lastly build a few less cruise missiles and fill in the gaps for funding to the clinics.

The public and media doesn't care about mental health. Trump, Russia, Gun Control, North Korea bla bla bla....is all you hear. Insurance companies pay as little as possible for mental health, denying claims on flimsy ground. The states have cut a combined 4B+ from their budgets. The government contributes the status quo to supporting mental health beyond Medicare and Medicaid (which is collapsing on itself). Just enough for the politicians to pretend they care and get elected.

No one in any area of America cares about mental health. Stop focusing on the guns and start focusing on the people aiming them. At the very least make sure you have a single place on the internet that someone can go to for help and not some bullshit ad that tries to get you to buy health additional insurance for coverage.

The mental health care system is a complete failure that needs aggressive legislation to protect the people of the United States. No level of gun control will change this.

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I have a biometric fingerprint safe. I'm just thankful that it has a backup combonation lock as some days it seams as if the finger print doesn't want to work. I'm sure it is probably a function of having oil on my hands from working that isn't a 100% cleaned even after washing up.

If it's a mental illness problem, Americans must be the craziest bunch of assholes this side of the nuthouse

It's not one or the other. It's both.

America is definitely the most violent, hateful, deranged first world country out there, and there should be stiffer penalties for gun crimes.

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Show me the data for that chart. Anyone can pull some numbers and manipulate them to their view point.

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I don't think it matters at all. I was letting you know what I am aware of so you knew where my answer comes from.

As far as gun owners seeking these safeties that makes no sense. If the majority of gun owners are fine with their present safety measures why would they work hard for the manufacturers to change that?

Lastly, the hacking I worry about is not an owner hacking their own gun. It would be a thief etc. Your sentence reads to me like the owner is still liable after a reported theft.

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According to the FBI, in 2016, 300,000 guns were sold before background checks were completed.

https://thinkprogress.org/exclusive-the ... 80d53aa1d/

At least trying to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally unstable would be a start.

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I am with you on mental health care improvements. It is not very easy for people with insurance to get easy, reliable and consistent treatment. Also, what seems to have gone away is the ability to commit people. I am sure there are reasons why that is but this Texas guy may have been a candidate.

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This is probably an argument against with not opening reliably. I was talking about (and I assume Rick was) fingerprint check actually right on the gun. Functionality and reliability were issues I read about there.

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And what happens when some activist decides that these laws ( if enacted) result in incarcerating a disproportionate number of young black men for 20/ 40 years minimum ?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

That loophole should be able to be fixed.

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Fair question really.

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Outlawing guns is the end game though. Most of them just don't have the guts to say it.

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Isn't it your thesis that we already live under tyrannical rule?

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Interesting response. I mean, it's (this sort of law) been done before, and with disastrous consequences, so . . .

Is there any history of that sort of complaint on violent crimes?

I hear that about non violent drug offenders.

Well, we could go down that path of what people really mean and find a lot of things that are crazy. I think that's a waste of time though and we should just focus on what people actually say.

Regardless of black or white I feel that people (even those adamantly anti gun) will not feel good about wrecking lives for that many years over what may be a one time offense. Most feel people can be rehabilitated outside of rapists and murderers.

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Keep reading. The question is answered later.

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I disagree.

Everyone seems fine with DUI laws that can ruin lives for many years.

It was one of the complaints years ago when they were talking about it. Technology changes and things get better. I'm not sure what level of reliability would be needed but it has to be pretty much fool proof. One of the other idea was a bracelet worn that would have to pair someone with gun. I don't follow this stuff much anymore.