Nope I figure let's wing it.

1. Every gun must be registered. I get the reasons against this, but you have to register your car. Register your guns too.

2. Any person caught with a gun not registered within 30 days or purchase gets 5 years in jail for first offense. 20 for second.

3. After sale modification kits are illegal. Anyone caught with one or attempting to buy or sell one gets 10 years in jail for first offense. 30 for second.

4. Any person caught with an illegal firearm gets 15 years in jail for the first offense. 40 for the second.

5. Anyone using a firearm in the commitment of a crime gets 20 years in jail for the first offense. Life for the second.

If we're serious, let's get serious.

Let's go.

Regardless of black or white I feel that people (even those adamantly anti gun) will not feel good about wrecking lives for that many years over what may be a one time offense. Most feel people can be rehabilitated outside of rapists and murderers.

This is probably an argument against with not opening reliably. I was talking about (and I assume Rick was) fingerprint check actually right on the gun. Functionality and reliability were issues I read about there.

I disagree.

Everyone seems fine with DUI laws that can ruin lives for many years.

I disagree.

Everyone seems fine with DUI laws that can ruin lives for many years.

It was one of the complaints years ago when they were talking about it. Technology changes and things get better. I'm not sure what level of reliability would be needed but it has to be pretty much fool proof. One of the other idea was a bracelet worn that would have to pair someone with gun. I don't follow this stuff much anymore.

Getting a single DUI is not life changing for everyone. Getting caught with a dirty gun once would take away your life, literally.

There are like 300MM guns already out there. What is going to happen to those?

I would say not being able to drive a car for any significant amount of time is life changing for most adults.

But is this the litmus test we want for laws? Could really screw someone over so maybe not?

In this scenario, I think it would be very easy to avoid prosecution.

Getting a single DUI is not life changing for everyone. Getting caught with a dirty gun once would take away your life, literally.

Yea, the argument is always on future sales but there are way too many guns in existence right now. We'd need to have an aggressive buy back program.

Yea, the argument is always on future sales but there are way too many guns in existence right now. We'd need to have an aggressive buy back program.

This is where you piss off at least half of legal gun owners. Many are holding onto guns that are generational family heirlooms.

This is where you piss off at least half of legal gun owners. Many are holding onto guns that are generational family heirlooms.

Frankly, I dont really care. They might be pissed. Sucks for them.

There are many family members of mass shooting victims that are probably more pissed off than the heirloom gun guy would be.

If the trade off is losing some generational family heirlooms but having less mass shootings, Ill make that trade.

It seems like some people believe that the cries about non violent drug offenders in prison are bullshit cover and really those cries are just saying let black people out of prison, they've had it rough.


I've literally never heard one person in my life complain about any one of any color being locked up for a violent crime.

That is fine. You see though where the counter argument would come. It also adds to the they are coming to take my guns mindset.

How many people are killed with antique heirlooms?

And what happens when some activist decides that these laws ( if enacted) result in incarcerating a disproportionate number of young black men for 20/ 40 years minimum ?

Not over yet.

But we are so far from that it's ridiculous to even consider.

We can barely pass legislation that mentally ill people shouldn't have guns.