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The left doesn't want gun control, they want guns outright banned. When I was a young, naive lad I always wondered why the right refused to compromise when it comes to gun control. The reason is because the right doesn't trust the left and knows that it's all just a giant shit test. If the right compromises the left will just ask for more until they finally get their way.

We saw it with homosexuality. It all started with the tolerance movement. That seemed fine with me as I'm not religious. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you don't deserve the same rights as me. Then came the normalisation of it which there's nothing normal about and now here we are where someone who identifies as the other gender and cuts their junk off is a normal, beautiful lady.

The left has their agenda and won't stop until their goal's are met. The right are beyond tired of it.

Gun control is not happening. Move on already.



The end goal of the LBGT movement is pedophilia. Mark it down.

You think the gays are working for the pedohiles?
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you want only to regulate to death the constitutional right
There has not been one legitimate "ban all guns" post in this thread. Not one.

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No, the slippery slope here is that more regulation will only lead to more regulation, not a stable state. That's exactly what you were doing with your line, "we already have those regulations, what's the harm in a little bit more?"

You are not at all interested in balancing the preservation of a constitutional right with the needs of society, you want only to regulate to death the constitutional right, and you will do so by saying "we're already here, what's the harm in going just a bit further?" over and over and over again. Hence, slippery slope.
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Registering a gun is not infringing on your right to own a gun. No issue there.


It has a chilling effect, which itself can be unconstitutional. Registration dissuades people (whether by cost of compliance, burden, fear, etc.) from exercising their right, which is an infringement on the right itself.


Your argument is that things that "dissuade" people infringe on the rights themselves. This is why the other examples, which are allowed and seemingly you are ok with at least some of them, was brought up. I'm not making an argument that a registry is ok because other things are ok. I'm making an argument that your thought process of "dissuade" = "infringe" has so many counterexamples(permits, noise ordinances, can't yell fire in a crowded theater, and many others) that it isn't a valid argument against a registry.

You have a Constitutional right to bear arms. That doesn't mean that you get to do it anonymously.

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Yes, some people like it more than they like other people's ability to breathe. We agree.

It's the state that denies the ability of people to breathe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner

Im with you there.

Fact remains that some people value their 2nd amendment right over the lives of others.


This is an false dilemma. Your ignorance assumes your position is the only correct one and that anyone that doesn't agree with you doesn't value the lives of others. Typical extreme left-wing nutjob response.

No, it's not. There are literally people that will tell you their right to own a gun is more important than other people's lives.

No hyperbole, nothing to do with my opinion. It's just a fact.


There were many people who died for this country who clearly agreed.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
The left doesn't want gun control, they want guns outright banned. When I was a young, naive lad I always wondered why the right refused to compromise when it comes to gun control. The reason is because the right doesn't trust the left and knows that it's all just a giant shit test. If the right compromises the left will just ask for more until they finally get their way.

We saw it with homosexuality. It all started with the tolerance movement. That seemed fine with me as I'm not religious. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you don't deserve the same rights as me. Then came the normalisation of it which there's nothing normal about and now here we are where someone who identifies as the other gender and cuts their junk off is a normal, beautiful lady.

The left has their agenda and won't stop until their goal's are met. The right are beyond tired of it.

Gun control is not happening. Move on already.



The end goal of the LBGT movement is pedophilia. Mark it down.

You think the gays are working for the pedohiles?


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I clicked on this thread again and see after 10 pages worth of posts, we are now talking about gays and pedophilia.

So I am assuming we solved the gun control issue.

Congrats, everyone! :cheers:

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rogers park bryan wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
The left doesn't want gun control, they want guns outright banned. When I was a young, naive lad I always wondered why the right refused to compromise when it comes to gun control. The reason is because the right doesn't trust the left and knows that it's all just a giant shit test. If the right compromises the left will just ask for more until they finally get their way.

We saw it with homosexuality. It all started with the tolerance movement. That seemed fine with me as I'm not religious. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you don't deserve the same rights as me. Then came the normalisation of it which there's nothing normal about and now here we are where someone who identifies as the other gender and cuts their junk off is a normal, beautiful lady.

The left has their agenda and won't stop until their goal's are met. The right are beyond tired of it.

Gun control is not happening. Move on already.



The end goal of the LBGT movement is pedophilia. Mark it down.

You think the gays are working for the pedohiles?


Let's assume they are...
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rogers park bryan wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
The left doesn't want gun control, they want guns outright banned. When I was a young, naive lad I always wondered why the right refused to compromise when it comes to gun control. The reason is because the right doesn't trust the left and knows that it's all just a giant shit test. If the right compromises the left will just ask for more until they finally get their way.

We saw it with homosexuality. It all started with the tolerance movement. That seemed fine with me as I'm not religious. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you don't deserve the same rights as me. Then came the normalisation of it which there's nothing normal about and now here we are where someone who identifies as the other gender and cuts their junk off is a normal, beautiful lady.

The left has their agenda and won't stop until their goal's are met. The right are beyond tired of it.

Gun control is not happening. Move on already.



The end goal of the LBGT movement is pedophilia. Mark it down.

You think the gays are working for the pedohiles?


1990: We just want rights
2000: We just want to get married
2010: Bake the fucking cake you cis het bigot
2017: I don't remember trying to fuck a fourteen year old boy, and now I choose to live as a gay man.
20XX: Let me fuck your 10 year old you bigot. Love is love.


Powerful 8 year old drag queen? Letting 13 year olds go on hormone blockers? It's all the same NAMBLA degeneracy.

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Bagels wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
The left doesn't want gun control, they want guns outright banned. When I was a young, naive lad I always wondered why the right refused to compromise when it comes to gun control. The reason is because the right doesn't trust the left and knows that it's all just a giant shit test. If the right compromises the left will just ask for more until they finally get their way.

We saw it with homosexuality. It all started with the tolerance movement. That seemed fine with me as I'm not religious. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you don't deserve the same rights as me. Then came the normalisation of it which there's nothing normal about and now here we are where someone who identifies as the other gender and cuts their junk off is a normal, beautiful lady.

The left has their agenda and won't stop until their goal's are met. The right are beyond tired of it.

Gun control is not happening. Move on already.



The end goal of the LBGT movement is pedophilia. Mark it down.

You think the gays are working for the pedohiles?


Let's assume they are...

Nice
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SuperMario wrote:
I clicked on this thread again and see after 10 pages worth of posts, we are now talking about gays and pedophilia.

So I am assuming we solved the gun control issue.


Yep. We settled on mandated registering of all guns and increased jail sentences for illegal weapons and weapons used during a crime.

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Congrats, everyone! :cheers:


Thanks.

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ToxicMasculinity wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
The left doesn't want gun control, they want guns outright banned. When I was a young, naive lad I always wondered why the right refused to compromise when it comes to gun control. The reason is because the right doesn't trust the left and knows that it's all just a giant shit test. If the right compromises the left will just ask for more until they finally get their way.

We saw it with homosexuality. It all started with the tolerance movement. That seemed fine with me as I'm not religious. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you don't deserve the same rights as me. Then came the normalisation of it which there's nothing normal about and now here we are where someone who identifies as the other gender and cuts their junk off is a normal, beautiful lady.

The left has their agenda and won't stop until their goal's are met. The right are beyond tired of it.

Gun control is not happening. Move on already.



The end goal of the LBGT movement is pedophilia. Mark it down.

You think the gays are working for the pedohiles?


1990: We just want rights
2000: We just want to get married
2010: Bake the fucking cake you cis het bigot
2017: I don't remember trying to fuck a fourteen year old boy, and now I choose to live as a gay man.
20XX: Let me fuck your 10 year old you bigot. Love is love.


Powerful 8 year old drag queen? Letting 13 year olds go on hormone blockers? It's all the same NAMBLA degeneracy.

Well, I disagree.

But I was just wondering if you really meant it was their goal, or if it was just a slippery slope to pedophilia.

I dont think my gay cousin has a goal of accepted pedophilia. Ill ask him and report back.
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Your argument is that things that "dissuade" people infringe on the rights themselves.


They do. Whether that infringement is permissible is the begged question. The concept of "protected speech" is itself an infringement on the guaranteed right to "free speech", but such infringement is permissible because of blah blah blah, society.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I'm not making an argument that a registry is ok because other things are ok.


Ummm, yes, you are:

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If we already have these restrictions then why can't we literally have a list of gun owners?


That is literally you arguing "that a registry is ok because other things are ok".
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I clicked on this thread again and see after 10 pages worth of posts, we are now talking about gays and pedophilia.

So I am assuming we solved the gun control issue.

Congrats, everyone! :cheers:


Now, let's move on to world hunger.

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Chus wrote:
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I clicked on this thread again and see after 10 pages worth of posts, we are now talking about gays and pedophilia.

So I am assuming we solved the gun control issue.

Congrats, everyone! :cheers:


Now, let's move on to world hunger.


Eat more.

Next?
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Chus wrote:
SuperMario wrote:
I clicked on this thread again and see after 10 pages worth of posts, we are now talking about gays and pedophilia.

So I am assuming we solved the gun control issue.

Congrats, everyone! :cheers:


Now, let's move on to world hunger.

Feed the starving gays the hot chick extracted seen of the rich! Everybody wins!

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Chus wrote:
SuperMario wrote:
I clicked on this thread again and see after 10 pages worth of posts, we are now talking about gays and pedophilia.

So I am assuming we solved the gun control issue.

Congrats, everyone! :cheers:


Now, let's move on to world hunger.


Eat more.

Next?


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SuperMario wrote:
I clicked on this thread again and see after 10 pages worth of posts, we are now talking about gays and pedophilia.

So I am assuming we solved the gun control issue.

Congrats, everyone! :cheers:


Now, let's move on to world hunger.

Feed the starving gays the hot chick extracted seen of the rich! Everybody wins!


Do I get to shoot somebody?

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They do. Whether that infringement is permissible is the begged question. The concept of "protected speech" is itself an infringement on the guaranteed right to "free speech", but such infringement is permissible because of blah blah blah, society.
So what was the point of posting that "dissuade" = infringe?

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I'm not making an argument that a registry is ok because other things are ok.


Ummm, yes, you are:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
If we already have these restrictions then why can't we literally have a list of gun owners?


That is literally you arguing "that a registry is ok because other things are ok".
In the context of your initial post about how "dissuade" = "infringe"!

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I'm pretty ignorant, so could someone explain what a national gun registry is supposed to accomplish? I'm just not sure how it would prevent people shooting the guns.

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I'm pretty ignorant, so could someone explain what a national gun registry is supposed to accomplish? I'm just not sure how it would prevent people shooting the guns.


Other than knowing where they all are and who has them I got nothing.

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I'm pretty ignorant, so could someone explain what a national gun registry is supposed to accomplish? I'm just not sure how it would prevent people shooting the guns.
It would be helpful for making sure that felons and others who are not allowed to own guns are not.

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I'm pretty ignorant, so could someone explain what a national gun registry is supposed to accomplish? I'm just not sure how it would prevent people shooting the guns.


It wouldn't stop people from shooting the guns. Nothing will.

It creates a log of legal firearms. If unregistered and you caught with it, you get 20 years in jail. If it's used in a crime, add 30 years on top of that.

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I'm pretty ignorant, so could someone explain what a national gun registry is supposed to accomplish? I'm just not sure how it would prevent people shooting the guns.


It wouldn't stop people from shooting the guns. Nothing will.

It creates a log of legal firearms. If unregistered and you caught with it, you get 20 years in jail. If it's used in a crime, add 30 years on top of that.

You'd be ruining someone's life over one mistake.
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I'm pretty ignorant, so could someone explain what a national gun registry is supposed to accomplish? I'm just not sure how it would prevent people shooting the guns.


It wouldn't stop people from shooting the guns. Nothing will.

It creates a log of legal firearms. If unregistered and you caught with it, you get 20 years in jail. If it's used in a crime, add 30 years on top of that.

You'd be ruining someone's life over one mistake.


Too bad.

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I'm pretty ignorant, so could someone explain what a national gun registry is supposed to accomplish? I'm just not sure how it would prevent people shooting the guns.


It wouldn't stop people from shooting the guns. Nothing will.

It creates a log of legal firearms. If unregistered and you caught with it, you get 20 years in jail. If it's used in a crime, add 30 years on top of that.

You'd be ruining someone's life over one mistake.


I wasn't specifically referring to that scenario. You could go ahead and give the wife or girlfriend of the criminal that forced them to buy them a handgun 20 years though.

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I'm pretty ignorant, so could someone explain what a national gun registry is supposed to accomplish? I'm just not sure how it would prevent people shooting the guns.


Other than knowing where they all are and who has them I got nothing.


Easier to systematically disarm the populace.
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leashyourkids wrote:
I'm pretty ignorant, so could someone explain what a national gun registry is supposed to accomplish? I'm just not sure how it would prevent people shooting the guns.


It wouldn't stop people from shooting the guns. Nothing will.

It creates a log of legal firearms. If unregistered and you caught with it, you get 20 years in jail. If it's used in a crime, add 30 years on top of that.

You'd be ruining someone's life over one mistake.


I wasn't specifically referring to that scenario. You could go ahead and give the wife or girlfriend of the criminal that forced them to buy them a handgun 20 years though.

What?
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I'm pretty ignorant, so could someone explain what a national gun registry is supposed to accomplish? I'm just not sure how it would prevent people shooting the guns.
It would be helpful for making sure that felons and others who are not allowed to own guns are not.


That's what background checks do.

A gun registry does none of what you say it does, unless actively inspected and checked upon by law enforcement (are "bring out yer guns" checks constitutional?), or routinely cross-referenced with arrest and conviction records. The list itself has no inherent utility other than to know who has guns and who does not.

It is in no way rationally related to any compelling government interest, and as such is unconstitutional.


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leashyourkids wrote:
I'm pretty ignorant, so could someone explain what a national gun registry is supposed to accomplish? I'm just not sure how it would prevent people shooting the guns.


Other than knowing where they all are and who has them I got nothing.


Easier to systematically disarm the populace.


It could cut crime a great deal though if you make a combined registry. If you require every firearm to be ballistic tested and also build a DNA profile registry of every citizen/resident that could be very useful and helpful. We already would have one registry so what is wrong with another?

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Before we start changing the Constitution first off we should Begin to entire the laws that are on the books now. Stop letting felons who get caught with a gun to plea the charge .

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