Before we start changing the Constitution first off we should Begin to entire the laws that are on the books now. Stop letting felons who get caught with a gun to plea the charge .

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What I said earlier about locking away non violent offenders or first timers earlier I was thinking about the above. There are many ways to get charged and put away for 20 years in Peeps' list of regulations other than being a trigger man or carrying a firearm.

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Well one. Don't register your gun, risk going to jail.

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Of course it would be. It could be cross referenced with many lists, such as a list of Air Force convictions.

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Well, you know the Air Force screwed that up not the background check system.

Just because, I thought about what it might be like to get off of this massively cross checked list of disallowed gun buyers should you mistakenly get on it.

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I don't think that's something anyone would disclose but let me know his answer either way.

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Exactly. The Air Force has a list of people who have done things that would disqualify them from the list. So, when you check that list against the registry you discover the mistake or investigate why someone who knows they shouldn't be allowed to has registered a gun. The guy then goes on a nice trip to jail.

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Will do.

He seems more concerned about his cat, Stewart, than anything else, really.

Cats ,although not as cool as dogs, are important.

I hope Stewart has a blessed day

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Have we fit all guns with GPS yet? That is fair.

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Gun registry sounds stupid.

Next suggestion, please.

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You sound stupid.

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Come on, this is a think tank!

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Do you mean here that checks of homes and inspecting the firearms of people on the registry would be constitutional? Because I threw that in as a joke, not thinking any sane human would answer "yes".

I have no idea where you got that.

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I didn't know what "of course it would be" was referencing, and it appeared like it could have been an answer to my question about gun checks. If not, carry on.

It would be routinely cross-referenced with many lists we have that should make gun ownership not allowed for individuals. It would have discovered the church shooter prior to him killing everyone and put him in jail for obtaining a firearm when he was not allowed to do so. Just like catching guys for popping wheelies in the street on probation, this would make us safer.

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Again, background checks do that already. There is no reasonable basis to support a registry.



No it wouldn't have.



Unless your hypothetical registry somehow gains sentience and accesses every Air Force personnel file.

The issue seems to be that no one entered it in. They had a record of it. A national registry of active gun owners would have checked against that list and flagged it.

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How would the national registry have access to internal Air Force records that even the FBI doesn't have access to? Do you listen to yourself?

I think it's fairly easy to think that there would be a sanity check between the two lists.

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A DNA registry? Man fuck that.

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A sanity check between the gun registry and a list that doesn't exist. Maybe you don't understand this fully, but the only thing that would turn up his conviction in the Air Force would have been a security clearance screening with someone going over his records from the Air Force and interviewing people personally. It wasn't on some magic list just waiting to be discovered.

Your hypothetical registry would not have turned up what the FBI's NCIC background check didn't. Come on Rick, this is bad, even for you.

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The NCIC requires someone to be added to it which lead to this mistake.

A list of registered gun owners could be checked against the Air Force(and other organizations) list of people that would disqualify them from owning a gun. So, if this error had occured, they could get a report that says "Person X has been found to be on the list of both registered gun owners and the list of Air Force crime convictions that would disqualify them".

The NCIC list, while it wouldn't go away, would have more information to check against. It's more information that can cause a seemingly error prone system to be significantly less error prone.

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That’s a lot of lists.

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But that is the real fantasy of the well-to-do American liberal. I'm fairly certain that people like John Oliver and Aaron Sorkin speak for them:

"Tomorrow morning, the White House is sending a bill to Congress for its consideration. It's White House Resolution 455, an energy bill requiring a 20 percent reduction of the emission of fossil fuels over the next ten years. It is by far the most aggressive stride ever taken in the fight to reverse the effects of global warming. The other piece of legislation is the crime bill. As of today, it no longer exists. I'm throwing it out. I'm throwing it out writing a law that makes sense. You cannot address crime prevention without getting rid of assault weapons and handguns. I consider them a threat to national security, and I will go door to door if I have to, but I'm gonna convince Americans that I'm right, and I'm gonna get the guns."

And again, the thing is, they don't really want to "get the guns". They want to get your guns. If they feel the need, they will be protected by someone with a gun. It will simply be someone who is not you.

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So, SkyNet. You want an AI to have access to thousands of indexed and searchable databases to decide who gets to own a gun or not? You really dig in your heels when you're wrong. Holy shit.

What is your personal take on all this?

Just stop. You don't have to over exaggerate.

This would be a simple check between the two databases. A simple comparison program could be created. Every 6 months they run it manually and get the results which hopefully are going to be 0 or near 0 and a correction can be made. No "SkyNet". Just the same kind of data analysis that is done millions of times a day by people.

In fact, if social security numbers were stored in the each database, then the person running it wouldn't even have to know any information of the gun owners and it would simply output a list of names that made both lists.

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