Cool.

There still has not been a single legitimate "ban all guns" post in this thread.

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Rick, your assertion that a registry "would have discovered the church shooter" is wrong, it just is. You're better off arguing that we Need To Do Something in the aftermath of this event, even if it wouldn't have impacted the event itself in the slightest (because it wouldn't have).

Which phantom list would your envisioned gun registry be cross-checking, pray tell? Please don't just say "The Air Force's". If you're going to say that this registry would've prevented this guy from buying a gun because it has access to databases the NCIC doesn't, you should be able to specifically identify a list in existence that is beyond the scope of the NCIC that would be accessible by the registry. Because apparently the Navy didn't even send the records of his imprisonment to the FBI:



Would your registry have changed Navy regulations?

But really, you're wrong, just stop.

I'm not a gun guy. The only time I ever had a gun was when I owned a bunch of ATMs and had to carry large amounts of cash to load the things. As soon as I sold the machines I got rid of the gun. I wouldn't have a gun in my house. But I do think that the right to bear arms is more than incidental to our freedom. If you take away the right to bear arms- and let's not kid ourselves, that's the road that more restrictions inevitably leads to because there are all sorts of restrictions now that obviously aren't enough- you are relying on protection by someone else with a gun. There will be "special" people who have guns. I don't want some goof who is surrounded by four armed guards at all times to tell me I can't carry a pistol.

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This is not that hard.

The Air Force has some electronic list of convictions. This is how they knew he was convicted of a crime. This means there is an electronic record of it. A data comparison tool used against the list of registered gun owners would have uncovered his name as owning a gun. This could have been done by an IT guy at the Air Force, or a worker from another agency who is there to audit the accuracy of the list they have. This would be incredibly easy assuming there is some sort of electronic database of these convictions. That's it.

So, feel free to keep saying "Stop" and "You're wrong" all you want, but what I said above there would have uncovered this issue prior to him shooting up the church, and likely lead to charges against him for illegally purchasing a gun.

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Wow, Brick taking (faux) lawyer JLN to school here....

Really, what's it called? Because I know what the NCIC is called, and they missed this guy.

It's called EDI(Electronic Data Interchange). That's how Brick's idea would work. Are just ignorant on this or being purposely obtuse?

What does it matter what it is called?

Unless it's a folder containing papers and not electronic at all, which would be a problem that would have to be solved, then it makes no difference.

I don't believe in these times that there is no electronic record of a person who spent a year in jail in 2014. If it does, then we need to put them in electronic format immediately.

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BRick's idea is about data management, it has nothing to do with a gun registry. A background check given access to this system would canvas the various databases in real time instead of having to hope the police arrive in time every 6 months when they take a gander at the readout.

It has nothing to do with making every American register their guns, and the fact remains that a gun registry would have done nothing to prevent this, because the data desired was not input in any database we are aware of. But please, keep clinging to "well they have to have SOME index of it".

These ideas are all garbage. They would just be “doing something to do something.”

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Really, leash? Darkside suggested several levels of training and testing making sure people know how to use, clean, disassemble and reassemble their firearms before they can buy one. You don't think that is a good idea?


Look, I get the 2nd amendment is a right to all. Nobody is saying to ban all guns. But the gun issue must be modified somehow.

The people who wrote the second amendment also wrote that slaves only counted as 3/5 of a person-- and that was only to determine how many seats in the House each state would get. These were both drawn up at the at the same convention.

Clearly I don't know what the exact answer is, but I do know this. If we as a country did do better andgot smarter about slavery, than we must do better and be smarter with gun control.

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Um Data management is part of EDI dummy! Data warehouseing...cloud services..etc! It is completely possible.

You have run into the common fallacy of pretending that we don't have any gun control right now, and people against further gun control measures are standing in the way of any gun control at all, if you'll look it shows up a lot in this thread.

None of that has anything to do with a gun registry. Background checks can do that just fine without further chilling of the 2nd.

Politicians are going to pander but the most worrying aspect is after Las Vegas, nobody paid any attention to the data. The one area people could look for answers largely went unnoticed and underreported. Perhaps because the answers are not great. As in there are no gun legislation answers. And of course part of the dumbing down of the population on this issue is the simplistic pandering.

FiveThirtyEight (no friend to conservatives or Trump) looked at the 33,000 gun related deaths in the US each year and found that no piece of proposed legislation would have stopped any of them. And that the gun laws in other countries point to no clear answers for the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 6d4fb6ed79


The answers are complex and exist in other areas, like mental health. And we have had mental health PSA's that go back to just after WW1. I was listening to an old time radio program from the 30's that ran a PSA about poor mental health being the "scourge of our time." The media would suggest this is a new, modern focus on mental health. It isnt. This country has always ground people down in ways you do not see in other countries. Only Japan rivals the US in its ability to drive people to suicide.

And so Democrats are actually making Trump correct and themselves look stupid by rightfully claiming he politicizes everything and then doing the same themselves, but with a focus on legislation that won't achieve much, if anything. This begins with mental health. There are some areas to tighten up gun legislation but they won't stop Las Vegas or what happens on a warm summer night in Chicago.

That last part is important because if you remove inner city gun crime driven by gangs and drugs and the suicide epidemic of white male gun owners then our gun crime starts to drop to near Australia levels. Both of those areas epidemic levels of gun crime show us the ultimate answers exist elsewhere.

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No they're not.

Pay attention dope.

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This is your thread. Take fuckng control.

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Wackos think registering a gun infringes on the 2nd amendment and Sky-Net coming online.

We're into the dregs of the thread.

Nothing to be done.

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It didn't though. This would be an attempt to solve the problems that failed here. Think of it as a background check that happens every 6 months.

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When I see this attributed to mental health, I gotta ask are we way crazier than other countries where this almost never happens?

I think the actual answer is we have way more guns and guns are way bigger a part of our lives than most other countries.

Mental health problems are just a lot more dangerous in a gun loving country like ours.

It's not like we can make up for that by being GREAT at mental health care.

As long as we are a nation with by far the most guns, we'll have by far the most shootings.

You're discussing reform of the NCIC, this data management function does not necessitate a registry of every firearm.

Of course they do. To use a favorite word of yours lately, it's INSANE not to value our constitutional amendments over an individual's life. It's sort of the entire reason our country exists in the first place.

Anyway, I'm only like halfway through this crazy ass thread but you posted that several times and I felt I had to respond before finishing the thread.

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Thread title reminds me of a It's Always Sunny episode- "The Gang Solves the Gun Control Issue"

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I don't know, I feel like of enough innocent people were dying I might be willing to compromise on some things.

Guess I'm not a Patriot.

How many dead people is your limit until you are cool with repealing the second amendment? What about the first? Fourth? Just curious.

I don't have a number. No number would be high enough to voluntarily hand over my rights. It's a shame everyone doesn't feel that way.

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They didn't actually mandate it. They tied ridiculous amounts of state grant money to it, so it became impossible for a state to go it alone. They did the same thing with the 55 mph speed limit on the Interstate.

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I saw a lot of "Let's do something" posts. I think peeps, IMU, and Darkside are the only ones who actually suggested something though.

I like Peeps but think his suggestion is terrible. Mandatory minimums are awful, violent crime or not. I'm surprised at the number of self described liberals who liked that idea though.

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I love you more than words can tell
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Gotta get serious.

Plus we can create a huge new boon in construction and running of new jails.

Win win.

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That would be a good episode. I see some good Frank potential.

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I don't know.

Honestly, it's just hard for me to care about or respect the importance of the 2nd amendment. Especially to the degree of not putting any restrictions on it.