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FavreFan

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:42 pm

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Terry's Peeps wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

I saw a lot of "Let's do something" posts. I think peeps, IMU, and Darkside are the only ones who actually suggested something though.

I like Peeps but think his suggestion is terrible. Mandatory minimums are awful, violent crime or not. I'm surprised at the number of self described liberals who liked that idea though.

Gotta get serious.

Plus we can create a huge new boon in construction and running of new jails.

Win win.

You guys got serious for 12 pages. Time to bring us back to reality :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:42 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

I don't know.

Honestly, it's just hard for me to care about or respect the importance of the 2nd amendment. Especially to the degree of not putting any restrictions on it.

...but there are restrictions on it. Several.

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Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:43 pm

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

Killer V wrote:

Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

Killer V wrote:

It should not be a states' issue. Why are the laws different once you cross a state border? Let's have the same laws in every state. No confusion. No buying guns in lax states and returning to "stricter" states.

Why bother having states then?

Well the fed mandated a national minimum drinking age and our fragile state system didn't collapse. Maybe something as important as gun laws would slide through too. Then, could gun offenses be made a federal case?

They didn't actually mandate it. They tied ridiculous amounts of state grant money to it, so it became impossible for a state to go it alone. They did the same thing with the 55 mph speed limit on the Interstate.

Tying extensive federal funds to their "suggestion" sure seems like a mandate to me.

I still see no reason why we shouldn't have the same gun laws in every city & state.

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Terry's Peeps

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:45 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Terry's Peeps wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Gotta get serious.

Plus we can create a huge new boon in construction and running of new jails.

Win win.

You guys got serious for 12 pages. Time to bring us back to reality :lol:

Why do you not want to punish people for breaking existing gun laws?

SAD!

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:46 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Who describes themselves as a liberal?

What's awful about punishing gun crimes harshly?

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:48 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

I don't know.

Honestly, it's just hard for me to care about or respect the importance of the 2nd amendment. Especially to the degree of not putting any restrictions on it.

...but there are restrictions on it. Several.

Ok. Soooo were ok with some restrictions as long as the core right is maintained?

I never suggested abolishing it.

My statement might be more specific in saying some people value "no more restrictions" on that amendment over human lives.

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FavreFan

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:49 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Who describes themselves as a liberal?

What's awful about punishing gun crimes harshly?

The same thing that's awful about punishing any crime too harshly. You're ruining people's lives over one mistake. Our justice system is supposed to be based on rehabilitation, not punishment. 20 year mandatory sentences for crimes where nobody is murdered are very clearly about punishment and not rehabilitation.

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Terry's Peeps

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:49 pm

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RPB gets it.

Got to make the punishment for gun crimes an actual deterrent.

Harsh punishment is needed.

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Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:50 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

I don't know.

Honestly, it's just hard for me to care about or respect the importance of the 2nd amendment. Especially to the degree of not putting any restrictions on it.

Who has argued that there are should be no restrictions or exemptions on the 2nd? Ogie may have alluded to it, but I haven't seen anyone else come near such a thing.

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FavreFan

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:50 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

I don't know.

Honestly, it's just hard for me to care about or respect the importance of the 2nd amendment. Especially to the degree of not putting any restrictions on it.

...but there are restrictions on it. Several.

But this is why you can't just say "let's do something". Most people are taking that and suggesting things(like restrictions) that are already in place.

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Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:59 pm

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Terry's Peeps wrote:

RPB gets it.

Got to make the punishment for gun crimes an actual deterrent.

Harsh punishment is needed.

1990s version of this:

Got to make punishment for felonies an actual deterrent.

Three Strikes Law is needed.

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Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:04 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Terry's Peeps wrote:

RPB gets it.

Got to make the punishment for gun crimes an actual deterrent.

Harsh punishment is needed.

1990s version of this:

Got to make punishment for felonies an actual deterrent.

Three Strikes Law is needed.

I remember it.

Don't commit crimes with guns. Don't have an illegal gun. Don't sell an illegal gun.

If you do, you pay the price.

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FavreFan

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:06 pm

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Terry's Peeps wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Terry's Peeps wrote:

RPB gets it.

Got to make the punishment for gun crimes an actual deterrent.

Harsh punishment is needed.

1990s version of this:

Got to make punishment for felonies an actual deterrent.

Three Strikes Law is needed.

I remember it.

Don't commit crimes with guns. Don't have an illegal gun. Don't sell an illegal gun.

If you do, you pay the price.

I hear you. Don't commit a felony. If you do, you pay the price.

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Terry's Peeps

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:08 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Terry's Peeps wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Terry's Peeps wrote:

RPB gets it.

Got to make the punishment for gun crimes an actual deterrent.

Harsh punishment is needed.

1990s version of this:

Got to make punishment for felonies an actual deterrent.

Three Strikes Law is needed.

I remember it.

Don't commit crimes with guns. Don't have an illegal gun. Don't sell an illegal gun.

If you do, you pay the price.

I hear you. Don't commit a felony. If you do, you pay the price.

Yep.

Either we're serious or we're not.

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leashyourkids

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:09 pm

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KFC or Popeye’s for dinner?

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FavreFan

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:20 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

KFC or Popeye’s for dinner?

Harold's. Either you're serious about good fast food chicken or you're not.

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Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:21 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

KFC or Popeye’s for dinner?

Harold's. Either you're serious about good fast food chicken or you're not.

Not sure when this started, or why.

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Terry's Peeps

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:29 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

KFC or Popeye’s for dinner?

Harold's. Either you're serious about good fast food chicken or you're not.

This guy gets it.

No second chances.

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Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:31 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Yes, some people like it more than they like other people's ability to breathe. We agree.

It's the state that denies the ability of people to breathe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner

Im with you there.

Fact remains that some people value their 2nd amendment right over the lives of others.

Of course they do. To use a favorite word of yours lately, it's INSANE not to value our constitutional amendments over an individual's life. It's sort of the entire reason our country exists in the first place.

Anyway, I'm only like halfway through this crazy ass thread but you posted that several times and I felt I had to respond before finishing the thread.

I don't know, I feel like of enough innocent people were dying I might be willing to compromise on some things.

Guess I'm not a Patriot.

I always knew you loved your country.

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Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:33 pm

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Terry's Peeps wrote:

RPB gets it.

Got to make the punishment for gun crimes an actual deterrent.

Harsh punishment is needed.

Death penalty?!?!

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Terry's Peeps

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:38 pm

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pittmike wrote:

Terry's Peeps wrote:

RPB gets it.

Got to make the punishment for gun crimes an actual deterrent.

Harsh punishment is needed.

Death penalty?!?!

3rd offense.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:43 pm

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pittmike wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Yes, some people like it more than they like other people's ability to breathe. We agree.

It's the state that denies the ability of people to breathe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner

Im with you there.

Fact remains that some people value their 2nd amendment right over the lives of others.

I don't know, I feel like of enough innocent people were dying I might be willing to compromise on some things.

Guess I'm not a Patriot.

I always knew you loved your country.

Huh?

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:45 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

I don't know.

Honestly, it's just hard for me to care about or respect the importance of the 2nd amendment. Especially to the degree of not putting any restrictions on it.

...but there are restrictions on it. Several.

But this is why you can't just say "let's do something". Most people are taking that and suggesting things(like restrictions) that are already in place.

I am not a "let's do something" person.

I just think that's a more understandable thought than fearing the government will take your guns at this point.

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pittmike

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:46 pm

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Sorry was meant for FF.

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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:59 pm

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Heard this guy on the radio today. The research was not sponsored by any interested parties. Let's count all the justifications the gun fairies will use to dismiss it.

Stanford Law School Professor John Donohue found that states that adopted right-to-carry laws have experienced a 13 to 15 percent increase in violent crime in the 10 years after enacting those laws.

https://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/21/vi ... ry-states/

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Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:39 pm

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ToxicMasculinity wrote:

FrankDrebin wrote:

Thread title reminds me of a It's Always Sunny episode- "The Gang Solves the Gun Control Issue"

That would be a good episode. I see some good Frank potential.

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Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:23 am

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

No, I don't act like that. I comprehend the nuance of reasonable restrictions (time, place, manner, etc.) in the trade-off between protecting explicitly granted freedoms and maintaining a functioning society.

You are though. Your issue with a registry was clear.

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

What I do act like is someone who thinks that with all the other restrictions placed on gun ownership and possession (not always the same thing, mind you), the burdens placed on the individual when seeking to purchase a firearm (which itself is recorded by the government), much less carry it in public, etc., any forced registration of a firearm tips the scale of burden towards "unconstitutional".

That sounds like a made up line. If we already have these restrictions then why can't we literally have a list of gun owners?

This is what a slippery slope looks like, kids.

If you were charged with a crime tomorrow, lets say arson, on a scale of 1 - 10 how fearful would you be that you would be denied a jury trial?

1 being not fearful and 10 being the most fearful possible.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:06 am

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FavreFan wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Yes, some people like it more than they like other people's ability to breathe. We agree.

It's the state that denies the ability of people to breathe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner

Im with you there.

Fact remains that some people value their 2nd amendment right over the lives of others.

I want to address this before it gets twisted. The INSANE thing. I've only used that when discussing how certain news channels spent years investigating Barack Obama being born in Kenya. That is, in fact, insane.

Its not like I dismiss ideas from the other side. I'm probably one of the most open minded people here.

thank you.

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ToxicMasculinity

Post subject: Re: Let's Solve the Gun Control Issue

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:08 am