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Is this restriction reasonable or nah?

unreasonable.

need assault rifles to protect myself and family.


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Is this restriction reasonable or nah?


No.

Stupid waste of time.

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What are the 2,200 exemptions for "assault style recreational weapons?"

Anyway, this is reasonable. They took my magazine limit advice.

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Is this restriction reasonable or nah?


The first three points of the "other provisions" section are galling intrusions on personal property rights.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:00 pm 
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The first three points of the "other provisions" section are galling intrusions on personal property rights.

Hey dude, there are things that are illegal to own in the US. I don't want to break any news to you or anything...

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The first three points of the "other provisions" section are galling intrusions on personal property rights.

Hey dude, there are things that are illegal to own in the US. I don't want to break any news to you or anything...


That's great and all, except none of what I referenced has to do with the lawfulness of owning or possessing something.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:07 pm 
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Yes, some people like it more than they like other people's ability to breathe. We agree.

It's the state that denies the ability of people to breathe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner

Im with you there.

Fact remains that some people value their 2nd amendment right over the lives of others.

Of course they do. To use a favorite word of yours lately, it's INSANE not to value our constitutional amendments over an individual's life. It's sort of the entire reason our country exists in the first place.

Anyway, I'm only like halfway through this crazy ass thread but you posted that several times and I felt I had to respond before finishing the thread.

I want to address this before it gets twisted. The INSANE thing. I've only used that when discussing how certain news channels spent years investigating Barack Obama being born in Kenya. That is, in fact, insane.

Its not like I dismiss ideas from the other side. I'm probably one of the most open minded people here.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:27 pm 
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The first three points of the "other provisions" section are galling intrusions on personal property rights.

Hey dude, there are things that are illegal to own in the US. I don't want to break any news to you or anything...


That's great and all, except none of what I referenced has to do with the lawfulness of owning or possessing something.

:lol: :lol: What?

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IMU wrote:
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The first three points of the "other provisions" section are galling intrusions on personal property rights.

Hey dude, there are things that are illegal to own in the US. I don't want to break any news to you or anything...


That's great and all, except none of what I referenced has to do with the lawfulness of owning or possessing something.

:lol: :lol: What?


All three of the provisions in the section I referenced are restrictions on what can be done with something that is already owned. It is not prohibiting the ownership or possession of anything.

They govern, in order: the ability to trade or gift lawfully owned property, the storing of lawfully owned property, and the "transfer" of lawfully owned property.


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I am allowed to own a car. But it must be a car manufactured for the USDM, or it can be imported as long as it is 25 years old or older. I also cannot make certain modifications to said car, even if said car parts are also legal in the country and state I live in. I am also not allowed to tamper with numerous aspects of the car, such as safety mechanisms.

I don't think this is groundbreaking stuff, man. You want to make a mountain out of a molehill and will stop at nothing to make gun control seem like the biggest atrocity ever committed by one man against another.

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Just to try to save you guys some time none of Feinstein’s stuff will become law. Just saying.

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I am allowed to own a car. But it must be a car manufactured for the USDM, or it can be imported as long as it is 25 years old or older. I also cannot make certain modifications to said car, even if said car parts are also legal in the country and state I live in. I am also not allowed to tamper with numerous aspects of the car, such as safety mechanisms.



Those are awful analogies. On top of being wrong about the particulars (you can make any modifications you want, or tamper with any safety device you please, those acts in and of themselves are not unlawful), they don't even come close to what is being proposed vis a vis guns.

1. You do not have an explicit constitutional right to a car.

2. You can trade or gift your car at your sole discretion.

3. You are not mandated by the government to store your vehicle in your garage with the windows rolled up and the doors locked.

4. Hard to think of a car-centric proxy for magazines, but you can cut out your gas tank and give it to whomever you please.

These proposed restrictions introduce the government into your personal bundle of rights concerning your property, thereby encroaching on the entire notion of personal property.

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I don't think this is groundbreaking stuff, man. You want to make a mountain out of a molehill and will stop at nothing to make gun control seem like the biggest atrocity ever committed by one man against another.


This is just nonsense. Stop acting like we have no amount of gun control in this country, and that people who oppose unconstitutional measures of gun control are arguing for the Wild West (which surprisingly wasn't even free of gun control measures).


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Those are awful analogies. On top of being wrong about the particulars (you can make any modifications you want, or tamper with any safety device you please, those acts in and of themselves are not unlawful), they don't even come close to what is being proposed vis a vis guns.


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Allow your mechanic to remove your catalytic converter if it is no longer working properly. Federal law makes it illegal to remove a functioning catalytic converter.


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In the U.S., it is illegal to remove or disable the front airbags (drivers or passengers) in a car of any model year for which they were required. The only exceptions involve medical conditions that make it unsafe to sit behind an airbag. Additionally, the states in the U.S. prohibit operating a vehicle from which any federally required safety equipment (including airbags, seatbelts, headlights, etc.) has been removed.


Come again?

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Just to try to save you guys some time none of Feinstein’s stuff will become law. Just saying.


Right. Because of certain people.

#NotAllRepublicans

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Those are awful analogies. On top of being wrong about the particulars (you can make any modifications you want, or tamper with any safety device you please, those acts in and of themselves are not unlawful), they don't even come close to what is being proposed vis a vis guns.


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EPA guidelines state that the catalytic converter must be replaced if it is removed; and before it can be removed, it has to meet certain criteria. The legal criteria for removing a catalytic converter specifies that it must have failed a state or local emissions inspection and have a legitimate need for replacement that can be established and documented.

Allow your mechanic to remove your catalytic converter if it is no longer working properly. Federal law makes it illegal to remove a functioning catalytic converter.


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In the U.S., it is illegal to remove or disable the front airbags (drivers or passengers) in a car of any model year for which they were required. The only exceptions involve medical conditions that make it unsafe to sit behind an airbag. Additionally, the states in the U.S. prohibit operating a vehicle from which any federally required safety equipment (including airbags, seatbelts, headlights, etc.) has been removed.


Come again?


:roll: Those are all road worthy restrictions. If I'm rebuilding a car I can take out the airbags and converter in a workshop or my garage without the feds indicting me. In fact, the part you bolded even mentions "operating". The acts themselves are not inherently unlawful. Now get to work on apt analogies.


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By the end of my lifetime, we will have a state-run media, freedom of speech only to the extent that it doesn’t offend anyone, and several crimes that are exempted from due process.

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And these suggested gun control laws are public-worthy restrictions.

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By the end of my lifetime, we will have a state-run media, freedom of speech only to the extent that it doesn’t offend anyone, and several crimes that are exempted from due process.

In several states a domestic violence charge is a mandatory bench trial, only after which may you "appeal" and get a trial by jury.


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And these suggested gun control laws are public-worthy restrictions.


You mean except for the ones that govern how private property is handled and transferred in private, right? The public has no interest in whom I give my gun, nor where or how I keep and store it.

And even if the public did have such a compelling interest, restrictions would have to be narrowly tailored and the least restrictive means by which the public, via the government, could achieve their ends. The proposals I am discussing are none of that.


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By the end of my lifetime, we will have a state-run media, freedom of speech only to the extent that it doesn’t offend anyone, and several crimes that are exempted from due process.

In several states a domestic violence charge is a mandatory bench trial, only after which may you "appeal" and get a trial by jury.


There are many crimes for which you cannot waste the time getting a jury trial.

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By the end of my lifetime, we will have a state-run media, freedom of speech only to the extent that it doesn’t offend anyone, and several crimes that are exempted from due process.

In several states a domestic violence charge is a mandatory bench trial, only after which may you "appeal" and get a trial by jury.


If we had to empanel a jury every time some bitch mouthed off too much and got what was coming to her the economy would grind to a halt.

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In several states a domestic violence charge is a mandatory bench trial, only after which may you "appeal" and get a trial by jury.


Instead of trial-and-error venue-shopping, maybe research out and pick a state that isn't too tough on wife-beaters and stay there.


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By the end of my lifetime, we will have a state-run media, freedom of speech only to the extent that it doesn’t offend anyone, and several crimes that are exempted from due process.

In several states a domestic violence charge is a mandatory bench trial, only after which may you "appeal" and get a trial by jury.


If we had to empanel a jury every time some bitch mouthed off too much and got what was coming to her the economy would grind to a halt.


Once we get rid of the 19th amendment this will no longer be an issue.

It's outdated anyways. At the time women were honest home makers. If the legislators saw today's thottery they would have not passed it.

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In several states a domestic violence charge is a mandatory bench trial, only after which may you "appeal" and get a trial by jury.


Instead of trial-and-error venue-shopping, maybe research out and pick a state that isn't too tough on wife-beaters and stay there.


One mans wife beater is another man's observant Muslim

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Hussra wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
In several states a domestic violence charge is a mandatory bench trial, only after which may you "appeal" and get a trial by jury.


Instead of trial-and-error venue-shopping, maybe research out and pick a state that isn't too tough on wife-beaters and stay there.


One mans wife beater is another man's observant Muslim


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By the end of my lifetime, we will have a state-run media, freedom of speech only to the extent that it doesn’t offend anyone, and several crimes that are exempted from due process.

In several states a domestic violence charge is a mandatory bench trial, only after which may you "appeal" and get a trial by jury.


If we had to empanel a jury every time some bitch mouthed off too much and got what was coming to her the economy would grind to a halt.


:lol:

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By the end of my lifetime, we will have a state-run media, freedom of speech only to the extent that it doesn’t offend anyone, and several crimes that are exempted from due process.

You're gonna die today?


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The public has no interest in whom I give my gun, nor where or how I keep and store it.

Yes we do. And we are a country of laws. I will appreciate you following the new ones once passed.

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The public has no interest in whom I give my gun, nor where or how I keep and store it.

Yes we do. And we are a country of laws. I will appreciate you following the new ones once passed.

You're gonna need an amendment for some of what you want.
I get a feeling we won't see an amendment in any of our lifetimes.

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The public has no interest in whom I give my gun, nor where or how I keep and store it.

Yes we do..


No, you don't.


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