Imagine telling George Washington that he has to perform a background check on the friend he wants to give a gun to, and can go to jail for not doing it.

If your point is that these already exist, I won’t disagree.

I’m not against reform, but it does concern me that so many are immediately willing to give up rights and to act as though those who aren’t to willing are crazy blood-mongers. I guess we are so far removed from our beginnings that we have forgotten why these rights were written down. They certainly weren’t written down for the easy times... they were written down for the times when it was extremely tempting to ignore them.

I can’t find the exact quote, but Christopher Hitchens (my hero) once described America pretty well... I’ll paraphrase...

He said that Americans have always loved freedom, whether it be from the State, from religion, or even from protection. He said that the American experience is to believe that life is risky and that there is no authority that can ever make that not so, nor would Americans ever want it to try.

That’s not blind patriotism or jingoism. The cynical among us can and will mock the sentiment as ridiculous and try to lump it with Right-wing talking points, but they shouldn’t. It’s a beautiful mantra that is slowly dying.

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Imagine telling him that if he sold his house that he would have to pay taxes to the government for it.

So, just to be clear, you think anyone should be able to give anyone else a gun legally? So, if you own a gun right now, you should be able to give it to a guy that just got out of prison for armed robbery.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Yay for Socialism.

It's been a miserable failure everywhere else like Europe and Israel, but it just needs American ingenuity to finally get it right.

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That was in fact beautiful man.

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George Washington would be more outraged at the hemp laws than gun laws.

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Ok so the consensus is no restrictions and no harsher penalties. Just maintain the status quo and take your chances like a true American.

Thank you all for your input.

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This guy gets it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

There is no problem with the current gun control laws. The real problem is naughty, murderoun people.

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I never understand why so many people want to be so socialist.

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Elections have consequences.

Wanting socialized healthcare isn't wanting to become a socialized country.

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Weren't you a Bernie guy?

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The ol' Joe Walsh method.

Yes, he was the best option.

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He was a Socialist.

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Democratic Socialist and he was the best option, Better than your twink Rubio and the rest of the slugs. I don't agree with everything he does but he was the best option.

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If they stopped paving the roads we'd find out really quick how much of a socialist you really are.

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Freedom is our Strength.

Well, we have the President trying to use the office to effect the sale of a major news organization and giving almost daily online props to another. We have colleges fighting against free speech (didn't see that one coming) and we also have a President screaming DEATH PENALTY for a guy who wasnt tried yet. (to be fair, he's obviously guilty and deserves harsh punishment)

So, I think we're pretty close. But in reality 2 of those 3 will likely snap back into normalcy once we have a new President.


That's a fine quote. On the other hand, when you have these mass shootings as frequently as we have had them in recent years, I cant really come down too hard on the "we should try and stop these mass shootings from happening" people.

Far more people die in car crashes. Why isn't there political pressure to stop those?

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We must stop texting and driving in Leash's lifetime.

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I think a lot of people think it would work and especially people on the bottom financially want it to "spread the wealth" so to speak.

There are those that believe the joke the Seacrest made. They think you cant say what would happen with a Socialistic America based on Venezuela or Europe. America is unique.

I do not believe that stuff, but some do.

The obvious answer is that the educated big city liberal doesn't see the point of the average citizen owning a firearm(s).

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I think there is. You remember Ralph Nader.

Also, the technology of automobiles is constantly improving and the rate of people dying has been consistently trending downward since the 1920's.

Then there is the fact that most people see cars as a necessity in today's America. Many people dont view guns that way yet.

The problem is though, that it never really has worked. It's always ended up in economic collapse at a minimum and more often in dictatorship and mass murder.

I like the idea of 7 billion people each having 1/7 billionth of the earth's resources, but I'm not sure how that works on a practical level. I think trying to force man to be socialist is really no different than trying to force squirrels to be socialist. Pass a law that each squirrel shall have the same amount of nuts and see how that works.

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The big city Liberal can’t possibly bring himself to believe that some people value rights over some imaginary “protection” by the government, and for some reason, the hillbilly with guns can’t bring himself to admit that he does. The hillbilly has been shamed into inventing reasons why he wants guns rather than stating how he really feels.

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Right. Because most people assume that there will be someone else there (some "special" person with a gun) to protect them. It's for the same reason that we have to have warning labels that coffee is hot. The idea of self-reliance that the country was founded upon has almost disappeared.

It kind of reminds me of the way my wife drives. She's not a bad driver but she always assumes that every other driver is going to do the right thing, i.e follow the traffic laws. I never assume anything. When my light turns green, I still look both ways because once in awhile some asshole is flying through on the red. Ultimately, everyone is responsible for himself.

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Im not a socialist, he was the best option, I do believe every American should have healthcare..Big pharma are probably the biggest scumbags on the planet, im all for eliminating them.

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Holy shit, I think I want to make out with you after this post. Agreed entirely, right down to having this exact conversation with my wife at least once a month.

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I agree.

There are MANY reasons the big city liberals do not get to decide everything without checks.

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