Imagine telling George Washington that he can walk onto a machine that will take him from Washington to Boston in a matter of minutes, and that somebody in a 50+ story building killed dozens of people in a matter of seconds by using a gun.

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Not getting the imaginary protection by the government thing. What do you mean by that?

Seatbelt, carseat laws..no texting or handsfree devices, Anti collision controls will be mandatory on new cars by 2020 ish.. Steps were taken, laws were passed.

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George Washington: Wait, wait, back up. Do the slaves have firearms?

MANY people claimed that it was their right to not wear a seatbelt. Cars and licences are regulated far more than guns are.

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JORR hit on it a bit. The entire mindset of the American public has changed. Think about it for a second (Beardown vibe, I know)... it can definitely sound folksy and corny to say, but America was founded on protection from government. But you and I and probably everyone here were raised in a culture that looks to government to solve our problems. If you went back 200 years and there was rampant violence, those people would not look to government to solve their problems. It may not even occur to them. They would try to solve it on their own. And in this case, they might just consider it to be one of the necessary evils of life. That’s not an insensitive thing to say. It’s the reality that life is risky and messy - a reality that some people seem not to believe anymore. The government can’t solve all of life’s problems or risks.

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Imagine telling George Washington that a lunatic exercised his 2nd Amendment right, and killed 58 people and wounded hundreds more.

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But the people running the computer simulation we are almost certainly living in, CAN.

I wonder what they used to do to lunatics in revolutionary times? I don't know? Witches I guess.

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Simple answer is the car's main purpose isn't to kill/injure others.

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Sounds kind of like the restrictions of firearms. IT'S NOT WORKING! DO SOMETHING!

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That raises the question of whether there is ever a reason to kill/injure someone.

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30 more pages.

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Seems to me like those driving restrictions appear to be working? From mandated safety features to licensing, etc.

It's "just think about it," not think about it for a second. If your going to do a parody then do it right. But like drinky you failed. But he fails at most things in life. Cuz he's a dumbass.

Should gun owners be allowed to own an M4?

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I mostly agree with you. The problem with guns is that things can be done to make them safer and all of those things are fought against by the "I need it for protection and recreation!" people. JLN seemingly did it earlier in the thread when he claimed that any gun owner should be able to give or sell their guns to anyone else they want with no government oversight at all. This is because George Washington would be upset even though we have no idea what his thoughts on modern guns would be. He still lived in a time when guns weren't even efficient enough to be the leading cause of death in war where people were actively trying to kill each other. It was a time when dueling was legally allowed. It was a time when the very concept of police was so rare that there wasn't an official police force in America during his life time.

Now, I think that gun ownership is an important right that should not be taken away. I would vote against the repeal of the 2nd amendment. However, I think it's terrible how the gun lobby has decided that any gun laws are basically a way to have the government eventually searching every house and taking the guns away. I mean, there are states right now pushing to make concealed carry legal like the states were having such a problem prior to that which made it important that a guy can be legally carrying a gun while walking through a mall or at Starbucks or at school.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Really depends on how you look at it. A civilian version of an M$ is not functionally different than any other semi automatic rifle you can buy. I will admit it can accept a 30 round magazine and does look scary to people. Others may just think it looks cool though.

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This is pretty much where I'm at.

But Im kind of resigned to the fact that there will be no meaningful restrictions or laws passed, so it is what it is. This is the country we have chosen.

I don’t know... and I’m not saying that there should be no regulation. I’m just saying that sometimes the gun control advocates act as though the “gun rights” people are these blood-thirsty monsters (and simpletons) when that’s not the case. They have many reasonable arguments. We have just gotten to a point where people find it appalling that someone might value their rights over the occasional loss of human life. 200 years ago, that would have been the prevailing mindset.

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Thousands of adults and children each year is occasional loss of life. I respect your callousness.

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Which regulations are you ok with?


Also, I think we should probably just stop with the references to the 1700's and what they would think. It was such a different time, it doesnt even matter.

I mean, I think its possible the forefathers would take issue with the Newtown shooting. I dont think they'd laugh it off and say "well, that's the other side of liberty!" Im not saying they'd take guns away either. Who knows what they'd do. They had wooden teeth and slaves and invented the giant white wigs for judges.

I'm all for returning to those halcyon days of the early 1800's so patriots like leash can be happy.

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I know it’s fun for you to either imply or outright say that those who disagree with you are evil or Nazis, but let’s try to have a more nuanced conversation here.

The reality of the situation is that there are 100 more things people die from each day than guns. That doesn’t mean we don’t try to make society better or enact gun regulations, but there’s no need to act as though you have some moral high ground. You don’t.

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More condescension. Sad!

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Do you really think I or anyone else is laughing off people’s deaths?

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It’s getting a little heavy for 8:00 AM. I should do some work.

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