Stopped reading after this. According to you, they can marry children and kill gays and women as long as they are not a threat to the United States, it's all good? Go crawl back under the rock you came from. You might even meet some of your buddies there.

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It has everything to do with your point. This is why you won't respond to it. The fact is that you seemed to get confused on your "blame America for everything" playbook. You can't say that Muslims don't hate America when you also say that we have caused them to hate America because of our foreign policy of the past many decades.

So, which is it?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

If you believe that this is the reason that the U.S. all of a sudden became interested in the Middle East then you really are ignorant. You can believe the propaganda. I'm not. If we truly were interested in their crimes against humanity we would align ourselves with Saudi Arabia. It's that simple. If you are going to play the morality card then don't be a hypocrite.

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See, I thought Corey McPherin had the Final Word.

If ltg were really interested in the crimes against humanity of the United States he would leave and go to another country. IT's that simple. If you are going to play the morality card then don't be a hypocrite.

Or you know, it's complicated.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Joke of an organization that reasonable folks on both sides have denounced.[/quote]


Depends on what you consider to be reasonable.[/quote]
Not really. Reasonable people don't label Muslims who criticize aspects of Islam as terrorists. Not really a semantics debate. Sorry.[/quote]


I've never heard that. Is it any more unreasonable than people on the other side that constantly assert that each and every adherent to the religion of Islam is out to destroy the West?


Again it's funny how that sort of language was virtually non existent pre 9/11[/quote]

Just a guess, but that’s probably because Muslim fundamentalists ran commercial airliners into the World Trade Center on 9/11.[/quote]

His argument is we shouldn't view extreme Muslim's as a threat because we didn't before they flew a plan into World Trade Center and vowed to "destroy the west!" WTF is wrong with this guy?

LTG, If someone blew up your house and said they where going to destroy your whole block and even left a video telling you this, would you view them as a threat or just say, "I never had a problem with this person before they blew up my house. He even bought me a drink once. Good guy!"

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What you fail to understand (unsurprisingly) is the basic premise. There was rarely any discussion of how Islam teaches Muslims to hate America pre 9/11. Any hatred of America was geologically linked. Post 9/11 the spin became about an inherent hatred of America on the part of Muslims. All of a sudden it was the religion that taught it's followers to "hate the West". That is propaganda which has been spun by ideologues in this country. It simply isn't factual.

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I think we should fast forward to ltg, either subtly, or openly, stating that 9/11 was the fault of the United States. I predict it is coming.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Why would I have to leave? Thanks for further verification that you are nothing more than an apologist for American behavior.

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What you fail to understand is that you are probably the biggest proponent on here that the Middle East hates America and it happened before 9/11.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure the type of talk you are describing was taken up a notch when ISIS came to be as they are pretty open about it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

For the same reasons the United States should cut all ties from Saudi Arabia.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Depends on what you consider to be reasonable.[/quote]
Not really. Reasonable people don't label Muslims who criticize aspects of Islam as terrorists. Not really a semantics debate. Sorry.[/quote]


I've never heard that. Is it any more unreasonable than people on the other side that constantly assert that each and every adherent to the religion of Islam is out to destroy the West?


Again it's funny how that sort of language was virtually non existent pre 9/11[/quote]

Just a guess, but that’s probably because Muslim fundamentalists ran commercial airliners into the World Trade Center on 9/11.[/quote]

His argument is we shouldn't view extreme Muslim's as a threat because we didn't before they flew a plan into World Trade Center and vowed to "destroy the west!" WTF is wrong with this guy?

LTG, If someone blew up your house and said they where going to destroy your whole block and even left a video telling you this, would you view them as a threat or just say, "I never had a problem with this person before they blew up my house. He even bought me a drink once. Good guy!"[/quote]


Islamic extremism should have been relegated to Bin Laden and Al Queda. Again the hypocrisy. Do Neo Nazis speak for all whites? Do they speak for all racists? MANY here have no problem providing distinctions when it comes to them yet Bin Laden somehow spoke for all Muslims.

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What are you talking about? I don't care why the the U.S. is interested in the Middle East. I care about what the Middle East is doing to their citizens and their view of the world.

In your messed up world, you would have sided with the Germans in WWII because the U.S. only got involved because Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. You would tell us not to believe the propaganda about the Jews being exterminated in camps and that if we where truly interested in the Germans crimes against humanity then we wouldn't have waited until we where bombed to do something about it.

You see how fucked up your viewpoint is?

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You still aren't making much sense.

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Why aren't we attacking Saudi Arabia? They are the worst of all the human rights violators in the region.

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Come on LTG, you know the situation in the Middle East is not just black and white. Bin Laden was killed and many in Al Queda eliminated, yet Islamic extremism is still going strong. I would say all whites that follow the swastika are Nazis and all Middle Easterners who follow the Koran are radicals. Just as many Christians are Christians, Catholics Catholic exc exc.

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Once again, you have constantly blamed our foreign policy for out hatred in the Middle East. Is that somehow no longer true?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I meant extremism as it related to the U.S. Iraq wasn't an Islamic extremist nation either. Hussein was regarded as a secularist.

In terms of the region the two largest sponsors of terrorism are Saudi Arabia and Iran. We have yet to war with either of them. If we are going to stay true to our word and agenda then it would behoove us to engage in conflict with those two countries.

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I can't attack anyone, all I can do is vote. What the politicians do is out of my control. What do you want me to do? Run for president and attack Saudi Arabia?

We are talking Mulsim characteristics and why we are oppose to them. Don't confuse the governments actions with my stance on human rights. We are not one entity, but two separate things.

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I meant extremism as it related to the U.S. Iraq wasn't an Islamic extremist nation either. Hussein was regarded as a secularist.

In terms of the region the two largest sponsors of terrorism are Saudi Arabia and Iran. We have yet to war with either of them. If we are going to stay true to our word and agenda then it would behoove us to engage in conflict with those two countries.

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You still don't comprehend the point. It's a waste of time to explain it. My position hasn't changed on that.

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These types of responses are just an attempt to deflect. I'll make it easy.

When did the hatred of the West and the United States begin in the Middle East?
Why did the hatred of the West and the United States begin in the Middle East?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

When your comprehension efforts improve I will answer. When you eliminate efforts to spin I will answer. If you can't understand the point then what's the point?

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I'm asking questions. This is what you do to gain comprehension.

Your posts in this thread seem to be in direct contradiction to things you have said previously and your non-answers to it seem to indicate you can't even come up with a way to spin it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Here is the point. Post 9/11 propaganda spewers have repeatedly suggested that Islam teaches its followers to hate America and the West. It is CLEARLY stated in the Koran they say. If that were the case then why wasn't such talk prevalent pre 9/11?

They are taught to hate our values yadda yadda. Our culture stinks. You never heard much of such talk Pre 9/11. In order to justify U.S. actions in the region it became necessary that such language permeate American society.

U.S. actions in that region were and even today are still ignored. Read this board for a change and check its temperature. Assess how much shrift U.S. actions in that part of the world garners. Then compare it to how much attention is paid to every car bombing, mass shooting, or reckless driving incident.

I posted a link about Obama drone strikes and people could care less about it. That isn't an accident as I expected it.

As I told you my position has never wavered. If you can't understand it after I explained it again I don't know what to tell you.

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I remember hearing a lot of that after the 1993 bombing of the wtc. I remember a lot of that talk after the 2000 USS Cole bombing. Prior to the 90s we were funding many of these folks in a proxy war with Russia. We were "trying" to be allies.

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Anti-American speech was prevalent in the Middle East before 9/11.

Surely no one thinks that started in 2001.

Right?

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Bin Laden going on youtube and arguing with 9/11 truthers is hilarious, Im sorry.

I'd never heard that it was specifically taught in the Koran until post 9/11.

What you reference backs up my argument regarding foreign policy and not religion. I know the great Ogie purveyor of truths and pervading falsehoods will somehow find a way to disagree.

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Jesus taking revenge.

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2017/A-pow ... aefd81684e

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