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I'm not sure I can agree with you since you're not saying what they could've and should've done without the benefit of hindsight.
What's the problem? ...that they have 2 guys that could potentially play at an all-star level at the 3rd base spot?
The bullpen sucked last year, everything else takes a backseat to that. Solving the issue of having too many good players at one spot tends to work itself out.


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It's not a screwed up situation. You send Fields down. You play Crede. If he sucks you then trade him for nothing. If he's good you get something good. Then you bring up Fields. This is the only option left for KW at this point.

It's a no lose situation.


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I'm not sure I can agree with you since you're not saying what they could've and should've done without the benefit of hindsight.
What's the problem? ...that they have 2 guys that could potentially play at an all-star level at the 3rd base spot?
The bullpen sucked last year, everything else takes a backseat to that. Solving the issue of having too many good players at one spot tends to work itself out.


:shock: I agree with Mike.

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I can understand another team for not wanting to give up much for crede so far this spring. He is hitting 179 according to sox.com and has 5 errors this spring, to me, he hasnt proven he is healthy and its to late in the spring to use the excuse that he is working the rust off. If he doesnt snap out of it, Kenny is going to have a hard time getting anything for him.

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I love baseball talk!

Don't think anyone can judge the Crede scenario because we don't know what Jenny was offered, if anything. He did say the offers were flimsy, so I think we can assume he was offered something and he didn't like it.

If he doesn't do well, I think we might see some Extra flimsy deals being offered.

I do understand Kenny wants to get top dollar, but he is trying to trade a player that has not been healthy since 2006 and it will block the development of Josh Fields.

Fields, IMO, is the top prospect we have , and we are going to send him down. Josh just seems like the kind of player who has done all he can at the minor level and needs his time now to get used to playing everyday.

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Sign Joe. Trade Fields.


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It's a roll of the dice. It's kenny's way of managing the team.

It's actually a high risk manauever as kenny now needs a team that really needs a 3B, has a prospect/deal Kenny will take and one thing that has not been so widely discussed Joe needs to HIT. I heard how healthy he is, and that might be right, but he has not hit this spring, which is all someone will really care about.

I see a big trade coming. Something like Konerko or Thome, with crede for a package of young talent. If kenny is going to move crede for possibley less than he wants, I see him getting rid of some salary at the same time.

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I thought this thread was about Wrigley naming rights...

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I have no problem with them sending Fields to AAA. Unfortunately, the reality is Crede is still here because the market was soft on him right now. Fields will benefit from getting at bats every day rather sitting on the bench and playing two days a week.


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I have been thinking about this situation and I would trade Konerko put swisher at 1st & play fields in left. You will get more for Paulie possibly a better pitcher than denks/floyd


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I'm not opposed to trading Konerko. But 1. I don't really think you'd get much value for him, just my opinion. and 2. If he were traded, I'd put Fields at first and Swisher in left. Fields reminded me of a worse version of Carlos Lee in left, and Lee was (probably still is) a butcher.


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I'm not opposed to trading Konerko. But 1. I don't really think you'd get much value for him, just my opinion. and 2. If he were traded, I'd put Fields at first and Swisher in left. Fields reminded me of a worse version of Carlos Lee in left, and Lee was (probably still is) a butcher.


Wasnt there talk of Paulie for Chone Figgins and a pretty good RP or something from the Angels? I dont see how that deal doesnt help the Sox, if you are able to move Fields to 1st.

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I like Figgins, but then you'd have another 3rd baseman to play out of position. I guess if you assume Crede would be gone, then you'd have Figgins at 3rd, Swisher in left and Fields at 1st. The lineup's better but the defense seems a little suspect to me.
Besides, that deal seems a little to good to be true to me.


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El Caballo improved his defense bigtime with the Sox. Sure he isn't going to make the hilite reel a lot, but his last year with the Sox he didn't make one error, and was probably one of the best defensive LFs in the league.

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Of course Lee got better. He couldn't get any worse. Besides, fielding stats aren't always a very good way to judge the quality of the fielder. Carlos Lee's fielding percentage has never been higher than Manny Ramirez's fielding percentage over the past 3 years....and he sucks!

My point is if you put Fields in left, you're guaranteed to have a bad left fielder. Probably one of the worst in the league. And even though he hit well last year, he also struck out way too much and there's no guarantee he'll duplicate what he did last year. So if he defense is awful and his offense is still very unproven, I'd prefer getting someone that has some major league experience playing outfield and at the plate. That's why I said I'd move Swisher to left and Field to 1st if Konerko were traded.
Lower ceiling, higher floor. At least that's how I look at going into the season. It all changes when Kenny picks up Carl Everett again.


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Of course Lee got better. He couldn't get any worse. Besides, fielding stats aren't always a very good way to judge the quality of the fielder. Carlos Lee's fielding percentage has never been higher than Manny Ramirez's fielding percentage over the past 3 years....and he sucks!

My point is if you put Fields in left, you're guaranteed to have a bad left fielder. Probably one of the worst in the league. And even though he hit well last year, he also struck out way too much and there's no guarantee he'll duplicate what he did last year. So if he defense is awful and his offense is still very unproven, I'd prefer getting someone that has some major league experience playing outfield and at the plate. That's why I said I'd move Swisher to left and Field to 1st if Konerko were traded.
Lower ceiling, higher floor. At least that's how I look at going into the season. It all changes when Kenny picks up Carl Everett again.


Most power hitters strike out alot and he will get better at the plate. When was the last time we had a rookie show production & not potential?
I think it will be one of the Alomars.


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Most power hitters strike out alot and he will get better at the plate. When was the last time we had a rookie show production & not potential?
I think it will be one of the Alomars.


Not sure what the hell you're talking about.
Yes, power hitters strike out alot. Not sure what the point is and how it relates to my post that you quoted.


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WestmontMike wrote:
lamar hoyt's burrito wrote:
Most power hitters strike out alot and he will get better at the plate. When was the last time we had a rookie show production & not potential?
I think it will be one of the Alomars.


Not sure what the hell you're talking about.
Yes, power hitters strike out alot. Not sure what the point is and how it relates to my post that you quoted.


It relates to the fact that you were worried that he struck out alot & I think that was from being a rookie not being bad. The Alomars was a poor attempt at humor :oops:


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Most power hitters strike out alot and he will get better at the plate. When was the last time we had a rookie show production & not potential?
I think it will be one of the Alomars.


Not sure what the hell you're talking about.
Yes, power hitters strike out alot. Not sure what the point is and how it relates to my post that you quoted.


It relates to the fact that you were worried that he struck out alot & I think that was from being a rookie not being bad. The Alomars was a poor attempt at humor :oops:


I'm not worried about his strikeouts. But they're not from being a rookie, that's just his swing...he strikes out alot. My point is that his high strikeout total is something you CAN count on, but a decent average, excellent power numbers and solid fielding (in left field) cannot be counted on.
Joe Crede was the last guy i remember coming up and playing a third of the season and providing production with his potential. Personally, I don't think he's ever reached his potential but I think his fielding makes up for his deficiencies at the plate.


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Crede will be on the West Coast by May 1st and Sox fans will be happy with the return.

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Fields his a slugger. If he played every day he's a 40hr a year guy. Maybe not this year but he will be soon and for some time. You take 130 strike outs for a 40HR guy.

If you look at baseball since the drug testing, 40 home runs is not easily accomplished any more. We're back to the days where 40 means something and 50 home runs is very rare. I don't think anyody has gotton 50 the past 2 seasons.


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